UFOs 'Escort' Mexican Aircraft - Radar Confirmed.

The picture of the UFO drawings looks similar to the egyptian hieroglyphs (the top right one)

Originally posted by csinvis
The picture of the UFO drawings looks similar to the egyptian hieroglyphs (the top right one)

Csinvis, thanks for the reply but I think there's quite a lot of controversy surrounding that palimpsest.


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As for the UFO case, the translations is pretty poor but here's some more info on the radar confirmations from radar controller Julio Cesar Diaz Interiánradar:

Carlos Antonio de los Santos, in the interior of the Piper Aztec, shortly after landing at the airport in Mexico:

On May 8th it filtered through the international airport news that they could clarify the issue: "The UFOs were detected on radar."

The fact was recorded in the same moment that the pilot communicated to De los Santos Mexico control tower the removal of the UFOs. Interestingly, the "echo" was observed in the same direction as the witness said ...

Statement made by Radar Controller Julio Cesar Diaz Interiánradar:

"Tequesquitengo-De Mexico, D. F., is 48 miles. The plane was detected at 43, south of the airport as a single "echo". No radio contact was established. It was, in short, unique craft in that area. At 20 miles southeast is the area of ​​volcanoes, and the Ajusco is slightly to the left of the vector of the plane flight. It was impossible to know if there were more objects as they were close together. Because of this proximity could only register a single "echo". At about 15 miles from the airport, that is, in the area of ​​Mount Ajusco-we missed the plane, because that part is "blind" to the radar. Back in communication with De los Santos, we informed the approach controller, Mr. Estañol Lopez, and me, that UFOs had climbed to 15,800 feet. In total he had under his control about 10 or 15 minutes. We lost radar contact via, but not radial, and at that time informed us that he had regained control of the plane and had been dropped on Ajusco, about 15,400 feet. De los Santos reported then that the object is moving away toward the volcanoes and the view was missing. At that instant the plane was found 12 miles south. At the moment we said "that was wasting of view", was another "echo" within 10 miles of the Piper and 14 southeast of us.The "echo" then made a left turn of 270 degrees, within three to four miles at a speed of 450 to 500 nautical miles per hour. It was unbelievable!"

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Cheers.

More information on the case -page 3 and 4:

MUFON Skylook Journal - August, 1975 (pdf file)

Originally posted by karl 12
More information on the case -page 3 and 4:

MUFON Skylook Journal - August, 1975 (pdf file)

For members who cannot access PDF files:

Originally posted by karl 12

Finally their blips merged on the radar screen and sped away toward Mt. Popocatepetl.

Images of objects taken over Mt. Popocatepetl:

These objects have to be of Extraterrestrial origin if they have such abilities and they can't be an Illusion or something else as they were shown on the radar, the pilot lost control of the plane once the objects appeared and the objects were moving at great speeds and had the capability to make sharp turns which modern day Aircraft or Military Aircraft can certainly not do.

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Thanks for the reply mate and you certainly make a good point about the radar confirmation and reported flight characteristics of the objects, Dr James Mcdonald also makes a good point in this audio quote about possible UFO origin and, it may be nothing but I also found it intriguing that this is yet another strange UFO case that occurred near a large body of water - there's another pilot report below from directly over Lake Tequesquitengo in 2006 only this time the witness reported a metallic, cigar shaped object.

MEXICO: PILOT REPORTS UFO

According to a report by Mexican researcher Alfonso Salazar, Captain Luis Guillermo Cruz, first officer of a Boeing 737-200, registration XA-MAR, reported a tubular unidentified flying object with a metallic appearance directly over Lake Tequesquitengo in the Mexican state of Morelos.

The sighting occurred on September 16, 2006 at 14:00 hrs. during a flight from Huatulco to Mexico City along air corridor L-47. Weather conditions were clear with some clouds.
According to the witness, he was alerted by an intense reflection visible four miles away from the airline, toward the right side of the cabin. At first he thought it could be a glider, but as they approached, he had a clear observation of an unknown object.

He added that the tubular flying object crossed at the same altitude the airliner was flying but in the opposite direction and with a north/south trajectory, remaining a mile and a half distant from the airliner.
The object vanished 4 minutes later.

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Cheers.

Originally posted by maryhinge
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ill be back

Maryhinge, you've not come back yet.

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its hard to get pc time with three kids HA
but i do think i remember this one
so ill finish reading thanks karl12

id also like to say that i think pilot sightings are
more credible

already worth a star and a flag

Originally posted by maryhinge

its hard to get pc time with three kids HA

Thanks for the reply Mary and I understand completely -following on from the images posted above, ATS member 'The Coward' has also just authored a thread below about recent UFO activity over Mount Popocatepetl and according to this report, the volcano could experience an imminent eruption.

UFOs Activity over Volcano Popocatepetl? 30th April 2012

Cheers.

You always find the best info!

I have thought for a long time that Mexico wants to come out with the truth. I have heard that when UFOs go down in Mexico the US AF goes in for recovery. Not sure about that but I do not doubt it no matter how interested Mexico is in the whole phenomena. (You probably have a thread on that, lol)

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Hey mate, as well as Mexico I'd say the governments of lots of South American countries are also very interested in the UFO phenomenon as well - at least interested enough to set up official Air Force UFO research offices anyway.

As for the Air Traffic Controller discussion on the other thread, here are some statements about UFOs being confirmed on radar screens and the first one is pretty relevant as it's from a Senior Air Traffic Controller at Mexico City Airport:

"When you have the view of the airspace and the radar screen and you see the UFOs go around twenty or thirty miles a second – that is very real. They can turn suddenly almost 90 degrees in a second or half a second. The UFOs can go vertically straight up very quickly."
Mexico City Senior Air Traffic Controller, Enrique Kolbeck



"There is no other conclusion I can reach but that for six hours on the morning of the 20th of July, 1952 there were at least ten unidentifiable objects moving above Washington....I can safely deduce that they performed gyrations which no known aircraft could perform. By this I mean that our scope showed that they could make right angle turrns and complete reversals of flight".
Senior Air Route Traffic Controller Harry Barnes



“What I saw defied all logic and was, quite frankly, extraordinary. It wasn’t just me, more than 30 pairs of eyes of RAF staff and radar operators at Heathrow Airport witnessed the same thing. I instantly knew this wasn’t a convoy of military planes -the only craft with that rate of climb were supersonic lightning aircraft but they wouldn’t have been able to hold such a perfect formation".
RAF Wing Commander Alan Turner (MBE).



"Here we had a number of object seen coming in across the North Sea on coastal radar. It looked like a Russian mistake. Jet aircraft were scrambled. The objects were travelling at quite impossible speeds like 4-5000 mph and then came to an abrupt halt near to one of these stations not very high up. Jet aircraft picked them up on aircraft radar. The objects then simply made rings round them."
Ralph Noyes,Senior Official with British Air Ministry - retired as Under Secretary of State in 1977



"During the 1955 Warsaw Pact exercises, a radar station in the area of Warsaw recognized two targets over the Gulf of Gdansk. The targets were moving at a speed of 2,300 km/h at an altitude of 20 thousand meters. In those days there was no aircraft with such performance. At one point it was noticed that the two objects did a 90 degrees turn, literally on the spot with no turning radius. This maneuver at such high speeds cannot be done. Most modern aircraft are unable to do so even today, and that was 50 years ago".
Colonel Ryszard Grundmanem - Former Head of Poland's 'Air Traffic, Air Force and Air Defense'

Cheers.

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My source told me that the thing was huge that he tracked and had the same ability to shoot from one end of his screen to the other in a fraction of a second and back again. He watched this object which was something like 5 miles high and 20 miles long, (don't hold me to the exact but that's what I remembered him saying) and he observed this with great interest for an entire shift but when the time came to leave and go back to the barracks, his Commander came up and told him that he liked him, that he may wish to rethink reporting what he observed.

He chose to take the warning but the guy who replaced him did not when his shift ended and he was not seen for close to a month and as I already said came back just wrecked. This guy was a great example as to the other ATC's not to report anything like this. This was more recent, it was around the late seventies.

You know I even feel guilty talking openly about it, it must be so difficult for all of the courageous ex-Military to come forward. It sticks in your heart region and creates pressure to even fathom what they must experience when telling what they know openly.

Great thread guys, thanks.

Maybe I missed it but I don't think anyone brought up this more recent Mexican Air force UFO footage?




Isn't it funny how the image has been incredibly downgraded? I remember when I first watched this a few months ago the images were clearer and you could actually read the newsfeed on the bottom of the picture. Still fairly incontrovertible.

Originally posted by antar

You know I even feel guilty talking openly about it, it must be so difficult for all of the courageous ex-Military to come forward. It sticks in your heart region and creates pressure to even fathom what they must experience when telling what they know openly.

Antar, many thanks for posting that account and it's certainly not the first time I've heard of that kind of behaviour from superior officers who basically inform the witness to keep silent or 'rethink' their report - there are some other similar testimonies here from naval personnel who have been ordered never to discuss their experiences (and even reports of 'missing' log books) so it really does make a person wonder just how many incidents have gone unreported over the years.

Couldn't agree more with your comments about the courage of ex-military witnesses coming forward either - one of my favourite clips is this one featuring USAF radar operator Michael Smith and it must have taken a lot of bottle for him to get up there and openly share his account.

Cheers.

Originally posted by PlanetXisHERE

Maybe I missed it but I don't think anyone brought up this more recent Mexican Air force UFO footage?

PlanetXisHERE, thanks for the reply -there´s a thread here where the Mexican Air Force footage is brought up and people are discussing the explanation that the objects are ´exhaust fires from oil platforms in the ocean´.
Cheers.

Interview with Carlos Antonio de los Santos Montiel:

Upcoming documentary about Carlos Santos incident:

'The Unexplained Files' to Premiere Wednesday, August 28 on Science Channel

Carlos de los Santos- Pilot Carlos de los Santos is en route to Mexico City Airport, when he is suddenly surrounded by three UFOs. Carlos is terrified as the silver discs seem to disable his aircraft, then raise it to a high altitude, threatening a fatal stall. Carlos regains control when the strange objects suddenly dart off to a volcano at inconceivably high speeds, completing aerial manoeuvres that were unheard of at the time. Investigation proves that Carlos was neither intoxicated or under the influence of drugs and the actual 18-minute recording of his desperate Mayday call to the airport attests to his genuine panic. It is first time testimony from a radar operator that could prove that Carlos’s plane may have been trailed by UFOs.

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pretty interesting thread, I checked out the interview it has with him and on it he says the objects were above each wing about 20 centimeters above, and about 1.5 meters away from the fuselage.

the object that was in the bottom did touch his aircraft, and he felt a loud and hard bump. Also he thinks they formed some kind of electromagnetic field that took over the plane controls because when he tried to maneuver his plane he wasn't able to do anything with it.

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was going to edit my post but it didn't let me, anyways he also said on the radar his plane was visible along with his tail number (or whatever identifier is used) and the objects were also visible but had no ID numbers on the radar.

I also found on this page the following interesting info, this however is not on the youtube interview so not sure if its correct -->ufologie.patrickgross.org...

was only with some reluctance that he agreed to appear on a TV show, hosted by ufologist and TV personality Pedro Ferriz, to talk about his experience, live. Little did he know that his bizarre experience was to become even more bizarre.

Two weeks later, driving to the television studio, Carlos noticed a large, black Ford Galaxy limousine pull in front of him. Looking in his rear-view mirror, he noticed another car of the same type just behind him. Both cars looked brand new, as if they had just been driven out of the showroom. He described them as "cars like the one used by diplomats." The cars crowded him, forcing him to pull over and stop. He was about to get out when he realised that the other two cars had also stopped, disgorging four tall, broad-shouldered men, who were walking towards him.

The men were "Scandinavian" in appearance, with very pale skin and wearing black suits. One of them walked up to Carlos's car door, standing with his hand on it, preventing Carlos from getting out. Speaking quickly in Spanish, with a strange "mechanical" tone, the man said "Look boy, if you value your life and your family's too, don't talk any more about this sighting of yours." Stunned speechless, Carlos turned his car around and drove home; he never made it to the television studio that day.

Carlos described his experience to Pedro Ferriz two days later who (interestingly) said that he had heard similar stories from UFO witnesses before, assuring Carlos that nothing would happen to him. Carlos agreed to another TV interview, which passed off without incident.

In mid-June of the same year, Dr J. Allen Hynek (former astronomical consultant of the USAF investigation of UFOs Project Blue Book, one of the key figures in UFO research) was travelling through Mexico and, having heard about the de los Santos case, invited Carlos to his hotel to discuss his experience. Carlos went to Dr Hynek's hotel after having gone for his interview with Mexicana Airlines, with whom he had applied for a job as a pilot.

Walking up the hotel steps, Carlos was shocked to meet one of the strange men who had threatened him before. "You were already warned once," the stranger said, "You are not to talk about your experience." Carlos protested his innocence, saying that he was only responding to an invitation from Dr Hynek. At this the stranger pushed him sharply back several feet. "Look, I don't want you to make problems for yourself", he said, "And why did you leave your house at six this morning? Do you work for Mexicana Airlines? Get out of here - and don't come back!"

Carlos did as he was told. This proved to be Carlos's last encounter with the strangers. Two years later, when talking to UFO researcher Jerome Clark and his friend Richard Heiden, he recalled "They were strange. They were huge, taller than Mexicans are, and they were so white. But the strangest thing of all is that all the while they were in my presence I never saw them blink."