UFOs 'Escort' Mexican Aircraft - Radar Confirmed.

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posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 09:15 AM
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For folks who are interested in pilot UFO sightings, there's a pretty remarkable incident described at the links below in which three 'domed discs' flew alongside a private aircraft over Lake Tequesquitengo in Mexico, May 3rd, 1975.

The case has lots of interesting factors including a daylight close range pilot sighting, electromagnetic interference effects and witness intimidation but perhaps the most intriguing is the radar confirmation of the objects by Mexico City Airport flight control who reported three unexplainable radar blips near his plane executing sharp manoeuvers - later on, the control tower staff also confirmed three objects 'merging into one' and speeding towards Mount Popocatepetl.

There's an written interview below with the pilot in English but unfortunately the pilot transmission and video interview are in Spanish so if anyone wants to help with the translation it would be very much appreciated.




Incident:


May 3, 1975: Near Mexico City, Mexico






1:34 p.m. local. Carlos Antonio de los Santos Montiel, 23, was flying a Piper PA-24 from Zihuatenejo to Mexico City at about 15,000 feet (4.5 km). While passing over Lake Tequesquitengo, he felt a strange vibration in the plane. Then he saw to the right, pacing alongside, a 10-to 12-foot (3 meters) in diameter disc with a dome on top. Another appeared to the left of the plane, and a third disc appreached head-on, dropping beneath the plane. Carlos felt a jolt as if the object had collided with his plane. He pulled the landing gear lever, but it failed to operate. The plane felt as if it were being pulled or lifted, and the controls refused to re­spond. Although badly shaken, Carlos notified Mexico City by radio, describing what was happening. At the same time air control radar was showing unexplained objects near his plane that were capable of sharp turns, unlike normal aircraft. Finally their blips merged on the radar screen and sped away toward Mt. Popocatepetl. After the objects left, Montiel was able to lower his landing gear manually and to land safely. Aviation personnel who know him testified to his sobriety and trustworthiness.


(Page 134, The UFO Evidence, Volume II, Hall)

NICAP Case Directory




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Mayday Call - Pilot transmission:





Recording of the Mexican pilot Carlos Antonio de los Santos Montiel’s Mayday call to Mexico City Benito Juárez International Airport, Mexico City, Mexico




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Newspaper Report:





“Pilot In Small Plane Terrified – Air Controllers Spot Image Of UFO On Radar”,

Article




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Radar information:


May 3, 1975. 43 miles from Mexico City Airport.


Airport Terminal Radar Controller, Julio Intrian Diaz, registered the blip of Carlos's plane on radar, the UFO executing a 270-degree turn in a radius of three or four miles at a speed of 450-500 nautical m.p.h.

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posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 09:27 AM
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In the free E-book below by Rubin Uriarte it states that, as well as the radar confirmation from two different flight controllers, there was also a report of a separately located witness piloting a Government Lear jet who also witnessed the three objects hovering around the other aircraft - there's also two interviews with the pilot of the Piper PA-24 (Spanish and English) as well as a good summation of the case from Patrick Gross.




Separate Pilot Witness:


Nearby, a Learjet aircraft registered as XC-SAG and in use by an agency of the Mexican Government made visual contact with De Los Santos' plane and the three mysterious objects hovering around it. The pilot of the Learjet radioed back to the Mexico City tower to confirm what he had seen.


E-book Excerpt




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Video Interview (Spanish):






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Interview:


Perhaps one of the most shattering UFO events of the year 1975 involved the near-abduction of pilot Carlos de los Santos Montiel as he flew his small aircraft over Central Mexico. The case received worldwide attention and Mr. de los Santos told his story to a number of major researchers and at several UFO conferences. Thirty-five years after the event, Ana Luisa Cid reopens the case..






ALC: Did the UFOs cause you any physical harm?

Carlos Antonio: No, considering that they were only 2 meters distant from me, suspended over the small plane’s wings for 18 minutes.


ALC: Were you punished for going public with your experience?

Carlos Antonio: No. When someone said on TV that my pilot’s license had been revoked and that I’d vanished, it was all a lie.


ALC: Why did you fly to Zihuatanejo? The likeliest course of action would have been to stay at Lazaro Cardenas, your original location, before returning to Mexico City.

Carlos Antonio: Because I didn’t like that town and the nearest one (by private plane) was Zihuatanejo, Guerrero..


ALC: What are your thoughts about the incident, 35 years later?

Carlos Antonio: Well, it was something I experienced and it was real. An incident that I am still at a loss to explain. I don’t know where they [the objects] came from, or what their intentions were. Sometimes I think they were curious and that they approached us for this reason, although it could also be that they saved me from some unpleasant situation. The small plane looked good, but it was very old, from 1958. So who knows? Maybe it was about to stall in mid-air, or I was about to lose a wing or the tail section. Or have some other accident...I don’t know.


ALC: Did the objects remove you from your route?

Carlos Antonio: No. I remained within the air corridor. What they did was lift me higher, which is dangerous, since my cabin wasn’t pressurized.


ALC: What do you say to those who claim you suffered from hypoxia and that you “imagined” all of this?

Carlos: Well, they don’t know what they’re talking about. When you experience hypoxia you feel sick, naturally. You’re dizzy and your visual field shuts down, but you don’t hallucinate.


ALC: Furthermore, radar can’t suffer from hypoxia. The objects were detected.

Carlos Antonio: Just so. Two different air traffic controllers detected three unidentified echoes on their screens. Both the route controller and the approach controller.


ALC: In some illustrations of sketches that you allegedly made, I see that the 1975 UFOs had an antenna on their upper part. Is this correct?

Carlos Antonio: This is not correct. They had no antennae. They had opaque grey fuselages and a sort of windshield, but without rivets and completely smooth. I’m going to draw them for you (makes drawing). And don’t think that it’s the only incorrect item of evidence circulating around there. I’ve also seen the date set down incorrectly. Some put May 2nd and other May 13. Not at all – it was May 3rd, 1975. What I would like to make clear is that my personal and professional reputation is safe thanks to the testimony of air traffic controllers. They had the three objects on their screens, making 270-degree turns in a very tight radius of action.


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posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 09:27 AM
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I have to offer a multiple thumbs up on this. It's one of very few verifiable UFO sightings posted here. It's too bad no pictures were taken, but there is no doubt something supernatural happened. Now the question is...

What the #### were they doing to that plane?!

s&f

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posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 09:30 AM
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Summary:



What we have here is a case where almost all of the aspects of the UFO problem are involved.


This is a UFO observation report by a pilot.

This is a UFO close encounter.

This is a daylight UFO observation.

This is case were the reported UFOs are observed at close sight and are solid objet of obvious artificial construction.

This is a report of a near air collision between an aircraft and UFOs.

This is a report of UFO that have a behaviour which is suggesting intelligent control.

This is a case of physical effects on an aircraft.

This is a radar/visual case, where a visual sighting is confirmed by independant people detecting the presence of the objects on a detection device.

This is a case where the UFOs fly away in direction of Mount Popocatepetl, obviously a hotbed of UFO reports and allegedly some sort of hideout for extraterrestrial aircraft.

This is a case where a pilot reports his encounter publicly.

This is a case where the witness has been medically checked and interviewed. If Hynek could not speak to Los Santos Montiel, at least Jerome Clark and others could.

This is a case where the witness stood firm with his account over time.

This is a case where the witness reports that he has been repeatedly intimidated by unidentified people probably from a foreign country (UFO folklore call them "Men in Black").


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Other Links:

NARCAP Reports
Realtvufos
UFO Evidence -Radar cases



posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 11:02 AM
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For those interested, ATS Live had Rubin Uriarte on as a guest for a Q&A session. If you want to listen to him while you pursue the information in this thread, you can listen here on ATS Live Show #67 Archive



posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 11:16 AM
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Very interesting. He mentioned in the story that he felt a bump from the one that went under and couldn't drop his landing gear.....I wonder if anyone ever checked the bottom of his plane for marks? Great story. Thanks OP! S&F.



posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 02:10 PM
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reply to post by karl 12
 

karl,

Another excellent thread, many thanks.

Pilot's actual drawing - dibujo - of one of the UFOs is quite different from the conventional UFOs usually depicted to illustrate this case.



So let's hope UFO researchers pay attention to your thread - and get the date right.

Cheers.



posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 09:32 PM
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Originally posted by Lowneck
reply to post by karl 12
 

karl,

Another excellent thread, many thanks.

Pilot's actual drawing - dibujo - of one of the UFOs is quite different from the conventional UFOs usually depicted to illustrate this case.



So let's hope UFO researchers pay attention to your thread - and get the date right.

Cheers.



Originally posted by The Matrix Traveller
reply to post by Talltexxxan
 



If I understand correctly about the drive plates, doesnt the spinning motion of the water/plates only afford sideways propolsion? Who does the craft move vertically?


There are 3 "Dynamic Converter" Modules under the Crafts"Outer" Skirt I haven't shown yet, as I didn't want to be connected to an old books from the 1950's by Desmond Leslie

Note; What I am describing did NOT come from these books.

The Actual Shape of the Craft was shown in a book by George Adamsky in the 1950's but please do NOT associate this with is books written by Desmond Leslie.

I can NOT Comment on these books, as I do Not know regarding the "Authenticity" of the stories, as it was, I understand NOT written by Adamski but by Leslie.

The "Shape" is definitely accurate, but the Story behind it, I can NOT Vouch for.

Its NOT for me to make any judgement.

So PLEASE those reading this, Please DO NOT Confuse this with Adamski

I am aware of his books, along with other information regarding both sides of the debate involving what you refer to as UFO's and USO's Phenomena.

But I have a third Part to reveal, involving a View from the other side.

Here is another design of Craft I have also been in.

Please Understand I am certainly NO Artist... LOL.

Side Cross Section Elevation.

and Plan Cross Sectional Elevation.


The Dynamic Converters and Engines are in both the "Internal" Walls (Vertical lift)
and the Floors for Horizontal Movement.

Seen in the Floors were rings of Radial Lines indicating access to the engines.

In the Walls... On one Face of a wall, Rings of Squares we seen, where access was obtained to the Converters, and in the Other Face, of the same wall, Radial Lines indicating Access to their Engines.

I don't expect anyone to believe me.

I can only tell you, what I have seen.


www.abovetopsecret.com...

Check the more detailed drawings made by ATS poster The Matrix Traveller
in his unbelievable and compelling thread. The drawings are remarkably similar,
and The Matrix Traveller claims to have been on one. And do you know what?
After reading his thread, I very nearly believe him!



posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 11:13 PM
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GREAT thread karl 12!

I can't thank you enough for bringing these great sightings back for discussion. Keep up the good work.


More evidence that aliens are here!



posted on Feb, 1 2012 @ 01:51 AM
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This reminds me of the Frederick Valentich incident.
He reported that he was being harassed by a ufo while flying over
Bass Strait, Australia. 21st of October 1978.
He was never found.
Notice that it is not a disc, but a long shaped craft as the posts above
Similar shaped craft and era.



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posted on Feb, 1 2012 @ 03:17 AM
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Thanks for the replies and links, this UFO incident certainly is a freaky one and the radar confirmation aspect makes it all the more compelling- the pilot's voice in the Spanish aircraft transmission realy does sound quite scared and there's part of a translation for the Mayday call below in which it states he was actualy crying when he contacted Air Traffic control..




Lake Tequesquitengo UFO






Almost instantly, he was shocked and scared even more, which caused him to cry and was badly shaken. He communicated with the Air Traffic Control Center and told them what was happening. The communication was more or less like this:

"To Mexico Center, to Mexico Center, this is Extra Alpha Union, mayday, mayday, mayday"

and did not received a response. Again, he kept trying to establish communications by repeating

"mayday, mayday, mayday"

and this time he did receive a response as follows:

"Go ahead, Extra Alpha Union, this is Mexico Center, what is your emergency?"

He answered them:

"I am flying with three unidentified visual objects around me, I am crying, I am very nervous, I do not know what to do".



There's more information at the link below about the case like physical effects on the aircraft and the flight characteristics of the objects - it also states the UFOs flew alongside the plane for 18 minutes and, due to the pilot's emergency landing, Mexico City Airport had to be closed for 1 hour and 17 minutes.

There's also this nice sketch of the incident although the pilot in the interview stated the objects did not have antennas:





PRUFON Link


Cheers.



posted on Feb, 1 2012 @ 03:18 AM
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ill be back



posted on Feb, 1 2012 @ 03:56 AM
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Originally posted by LeLeu
This reminds me of the Frederick Valentich incident..


LeLeu, thanks for the post and the Mexican case also reminded me of the Flight N3808H incident from five years later - the pilots also described a 'weird' and 'strange' object which made the aircraft change course three different times only this time they were never heard from again..


The Disappearance of flight N3808H, Puerto Rico, 1980


The change in altimeter readings for the Mexican case also sounds remarkably similar to the Coyne incident from two years earlier -the UFO in this case was described as cigar shaped, metallic object with a red light at one end and a white light at the other emanating a 'distinctive green beam' - if you've not seen it before the whole clip is well worth a watch but the part where Lt Colonel Coyne describes the altimeter readings is found at 1:45:






While the object was still visible, Jezzi and Coyne both noted that the altimeter read 3,500 feet with a rate of climb of 1,000 feet per minute. Yet the collective (steering mechanism) was still in the full-down position set during the descent..


The Coyne incident, Mansfield, Ohio, 1973


Cheers.



posted on Feb, 1 2012 @ 05:39 AM
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Cool! I had'nt seen that vid before

Here is another one from 19 September 1976 Tehran, Iran
Two interceptors had electronic failure when they went to take on a
metal cigar shaped UFO.

Imagine all the stuff we dont get to hear about

wikipedia





posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 05:51 AM
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Lowneck, you're certainly right about the object depiction my friend and the pilot's drawing of the object looks a lot more streamlined than others used to illustrate the case (I think there's another one below) -I was also interested to see the pilot stated the objects had a sort of windshield with 'a completely smooth, grey, opaque fuselage without any rivets' -talk about a close range sighting.





Thanks to Google translate I did see there was an official document drawn up about the case by the Airport Command and Michael Swords also mentions below that there are articles about the case in MUFON's Skylook/Journal -too bad I can't open pdf files on this computer I'm on.







MUFON follows with a two page article in Skylook August 1975; then there is the two part revisiting of the case in MUFON J of January & February 2003.


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MUFON journals (pdf)


Cheers.



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 06:32 AM
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Originally posted by LeLeu

Here is another one from 19 September 1976 Tehran, Iran
Two interceptors had electronic failure when they went to take on a metal cigar shaped UFO.



LeLeu, good call and that case is an absolute corker with some extremely interesting EM effects and government UFO documents -apparently the Pentagon was also very impressed with it and if you've not seen OzWeatherman's thread before, then Internos has made a truly great post about it here.

As for other similar cases, I'd forgot about one called 'The Little Rissington Incident' from England in October, 1952 - in that instance pilots also witnessed several close range 'saucer shaped' objects in a near collision with their aircraft, the objects were also plotted on ground radar travelling at 600mph.

Cheers.





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If there's any Spanish members out there then the videos below about the 1975 Mexico case seem pretty comprehensive.








Rest



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 06:47 AM
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Originally posted by Starchild23
I have to offer a multiple thumbs up on this. It's one of very few verifiable UFO sightings posted here. It's too bad no pictures were taken, but there is no doubt something supernatural happened. Now the question is...

What the #### were they doing to that plane?!

s&f

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Mother.....#.... I think I know what they were doing... They were actually keeping it in flight...

See the one below and the two above they are "pressing" on the plane if you will, this way it can't tilt and they can control its stability and the most important thing to notice is if the two would of been under the wings instead of the top it would of created turbulence under the wings and killed its lift causing either a stall or it would of tilt or God knows what else...

I think they just LIGHTLY pressed against it and kept it in a straight path while buddy was being probed and he don't remember nothing... That could explain how some pilots reported being abducted in mid air and wake up still flying wondering what the hell happen...

VERY interesting case, the positions of those UFO took on the plane are so that it could be kept in flight and under control. Any where under the wings would of caused the exact opposite reaction...

Nice one I never seen this one before great find OP


Hell they might of been passing by and noticed this guy was to have mechanical difficulties and decided to be nice... nonetheless it must of been quite a bit discomforting being hijacked by UFOs...

Now we have to worry about ALien Qaida
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posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 06:57 AM
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In the docs it says it was about the size of a T-33 those are T-Birds wonderful little jets used for training pilots pretty much around the world... they are quite small actually. If you've ever had the chance to walk around or climb in one of those you'd know they aren't big at all... I think they actually look bigger on pictures than in person...



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 07:09 AM
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Very interesting incident, thanks for showing it.

I hate repeating this all the time, but it is important to remember.
In the "Lacerta Files", she states quite clearly that her "People" travel in relatively large Cigar Shaped craft, and they also have a variety of small saucer shaped craft. The Cigar shaped craft have a camoflage device, sometimes this may not work as it should...she states their craft have portholes and generally a red light front and back.

Of course, she tells the interviewer that her story wont be believed by humans anyway.....this we know for sure.


Just interesting that so many Cigar shaped craft are seen, that fits her description.

She also says they dont shape shift, they can influence the primitive, vulnerable human mind to see them as human, not Sauroids.
Naturally, Most super intelligent humans consider this just more delusional rubbish by feeble attention getting people.........it is, isnt it?



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 07:21 AM
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Originally posted by gort51
Very interesting incident, thanks for showing it.

I hate repeating this all the time, but it is important to remember.
In the "Lacerta Files", she states quite clearly that her "People" travel in relatively large Cigar Shaped craft, and they also have a variety of small saucer shaped craft. The Cigar shaped craft have a camoflage device, sometimes this may not work as it should...she states their craft have portholes and generally a red light front and back.

Of course, she tells the interviewer that her story wont be believed by humans anyway.....this we know for sure.


Just interesting that so many Cigar shaped craft are seen, that fits her description.

She also says they dont shape shift, they can influence the primitive, vulnerable human mind to see them as human, not Sauroids.
Naturally, Most super intelligent humans consider this just more delusional rubbish by feeble attention getting people.........it is, isnt it?


Well this is a classic case of "the brain believe what is sees" and how magicians around the world make people believe they can go through walls and stuff...

We're halfway there already we've already have machine that can read the electrical impulses generated by the brain and translate it into words...

See they take a picture of the brain while its thinking of something and match it to words and stuff so the brain does have a specific way to treat information and language if you will... Once this "language" is uncovered completely and mastered its just a matter of "feeding" back into the brain and it will interpret this as legit data... Hence could give the appearance of someone to someone else... or hide your true appearance...





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