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Gabrielle Gifford. A Gun Control False Flag?

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posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 02:52 AM
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An ATS member recently included this statement in a post. "Now one probably shouldn't be surprised given that ATS is a "cranky conspiracy site." (Someone in the MSM said this when it was discovered that Rep. Gifford's (D-AZ) assassin had an account here.)"

I replied with the question "Did she die?" I was a little disappointed to receive no reply.

This is the definition of the word assassin.

as·sas·sin/əˈsasin/
Noun:
A murderer of an important person in a surprise attack for political or religious reasons.

I see no indication that this good lady is no longer with us.

Someone in the MSM has recently said this.
www.journalgazette.net...
No indication here or anywhere else I've seen that she has passed away.

On the undoubtedly cranky conspiracy site youtube I found this series of videos.











What are your views? Is this a gun control False Flag?
Are those who doubt the story told to us by the MSM unduly suspicious?
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posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 02:59 AM
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so i'm not the only one who thought this at somepoint? what a relief, when I was watching the state of the union, I couldn't help but feel that it could at least be a prospect. I mean I feel sorry that anyone would have to go through that, and if we are wrong, then it's just disrespectful on our part, but even worse, if it's true and they went through with shooting an official to justify new mandates, someone had to question the whole thing.

we also musnt forget that other people died, including children. it was horrible. because she was an official, that preceded all other points of interest.

she survived and we saw what happened, but had she died or anyother scenario, I wonder what the outcome would have been? either way a public relations win for obama.
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posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 03:18 AM
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Originally posted by yourmaker
we also musnt forget that other people died, including children.


www.dunblaneexposed.info...

This is information that is difficult to dismiss. My own very superficial investigation into the Dunblane shootings suggests Hamilton was supplying children to elite pedophiles. This was his final use, to give an excuse for banning handguns.
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posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 03:48 AM
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Shootings happen frequently around the world, including in the West (US, UK) - its certainly not inconceivable that a disgruntled individual would want to act in this manner, particularly against someone in a position of authority.

From an emotional perspective, I think that overall there isn't enough evidence to suggest it was anything other than what I outlined above.

from a logical perspective, the planning and orchestration of such an act - along with the collateral of others dying and being wounded - makes me confident that this story is legit.



posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 04:14 AM
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Originally posted by ComeFindMe

from a logical perspective, the planning and orchestration of such an act - along with the collateral of others dying and being wounded - makes me confident that this story is legit.


I admire your faith in the compassion of those who seek to rule us. However, the desire to avoid collateral damage hasn't prevented atrocities we hear about every day. As for the planning and orchestration, I'm unfortunate enough to have been in precisely the right place at the right time to observe unnoticed the very rapid hijacking of a van. There was one word, "NOW", the rest was very rapid coordinated action. Some people specialise in planning and orchestrating events that most of us can hardly imagine.

The logical perspective and the evidence based perspective are frequently at odds.

Joe Vialls, R.I.P., was an investigator.

vialls.homestead.com...



posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 04:38 AM
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I believe this is legit. I do believe that he was a lone gunman with a mental disorder.

However, the more I learn about Fast and Furious the more I wonder. We are talking about an administration that was involved in selling thousands of guns to cartel members to try ushering in gun registration laws. They were willing to let Mexican citizens and a border agent die in pursuit of an agenda. Imagine what a coup it would have been for a pro-gun politico from the most pro-gun state to get gunned down by a guy that bought a legal gun with "assault clips."

It is unlikely, but it is easy to see why people would be willing to believe it. All you have to do is look at past actions from this administration and others. Human life means little to politicians trying to push an agenda or make a buck.

ETA:
The speach issue could be a developement of traumatic injury to the brain. The initial trauma plus secondary bleeding and swelling could have altered many parts of her brain. The brain is very tempermental and too much pressure in the wrong spot can completely alter a person's personality, speech, or ability to move.


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posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 05:01 AM
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Here we have a link made in 2009 between multiple shootings and gun control.

www.time.com...

While here we have a more recent link suggested between financial crisis and civil unrest.

www.bbc.co.uk...

A caring, sharing society will support all members of that society when times are hard. I live in an area where a proportion of the population is well-off and clearly feel they have more of a right to the planet than the rest of us. Within half an hours travelling distance there are many thousands who will no doubt besiege the well-off when the supermarket shelves are empty. It's easy to guess which side of the fence is most keen on gun control.

Arranging multiple shootings to stimulate gun control measures is an obvious way to safeguard the well-off families who feel justified in their overconsumption. Entertainers who use mind control in their acts demonstrate how the patsies in these shootings can be manipulated. Control can be achieved by simple trickery without sophisticated mind control. The lack of morality demonstrated in recent financial frauds could easily extend to schemes that involve direct murder.



posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 05:33 AM
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Originally posted by MikeNice81
.....ushering in gun registration laws.


The word registration is said to originate from the Latin word Regis meaning 'of the King'. Hence a registered firearm is no longer your property and may be taken away from you without good reason. A good reason to take away your firearm would be showing signs of mental illness and taking a noticeable interest in public figures or indicating in some way that you may endanger others. Taking away your firearm so you couldn't resist planned oppression would not be classed as a good reason by the oppressed. There is much room for debate on the meaning and purpose of registration but it seems to hinge on whether the 'authorities' claim a right to confiscate your property without good reason.


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posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 05:56 AM
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I wouldn't worry about it. She refused to come out and say anything about it. She resigned her position. And if the gun controllers didnt get any traction immediately after the shooting, which they didnt, they certainly won't a year+ after the fact.

For the foreseeable future gun control is a lost cause.

Now it's time to take back all the ground that was lost under decades of assinine fear-based legislation.

It's kind of amazing when you look at other nations and their ban catalysts like Port Arthur and the like and how quickly their governments moved to enact bans. Too quick to think about what they were really doing. Complete knee-jerk nonsense. And then to look at the various incurred in the US that more than equalled those catalysts and see that nothing came from them.

In fact the biggest regulatory measures in the US came about when there were no catalysts other than media hysteria and the constant pounding of "what-if's".

Interesting. America will legislate against fiction but not fact.


 
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posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 07:42 AM
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Originally posted by thisguyrighthere

It's kind of amazing when you look at other nations and their ban catalysts like Port Arthur and the like and how quickly their governments moved to enact bans. Too quick to think about what they were really doing. Complete knee-jerk nonsense.


I like the confident tone of your post. The truth is I only started this thread as a knee-jerk reaction to hearing Gifford's assailant being referred to as her assassin.

I agree other nations have been quick to implement bans, too quick. There are particular people who seem to be trained to encourage public pressure groups. Shocked people who want to do something are encouraged to campaign and I suspect, as we've seen in other areas, legislation is written up ready for a rapid response. The whole thing stinks of a hard sell.

I've heard rumours of ammunition manufacturers being bought up by companies under the Carlyle group. There are many ways to attempt to limit the effectiveness of armed resistance to planned oppression. Confidence balanced with vigilance will keep the oppressors at bay.



posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 01:33 PM
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An ATS member recently included this statement in a post. "Now one probably shouldn't be surprised given that ATS is a "cranky conspiracy site." (Someone in the MSM said this when it was discovered that Rep. Gifford's (D-AZ) assassin had an account here.)"


I don't think that is a problem, ATS is now like the face book of conspiracy sites it is really as big as it gets. Jeff Weise was also an ATS member and a murderer. Now take the two that ATS has and compare that to the number of killers on Facebook.



posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 01:42 PM
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Is this a serious thread? How unbelievably asinine an accusation to level



posted on Feb, 1 2012 @ 03:21 AM
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Thanks for the laugh. Nothing is serious, it's all just possibilities. Chillax.




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