China Came Darn Close to Beating Columbus to the New World. Could the First President Have Been Chin

His name was Zheng He.

He was known as the Eunuch Chinese Muslim Admiral during the Ming Dynasty.

He commanded a Chinese fleet of ships larger than all the European fleets put together.

An Oriental armada
Six centuries ago, a mighty armada of Chinese ships crossed the China Sea, then ventured west to Ceylon, Arabia, and East Africa. The fleet consisted of giant nine-masted junks, escorted by dozens of swww.pbs.org... ships, water tankers, transports for cavalry horses, and patrol boats. The armada's crew totaled more than 27,000 sailors and soldiers. The largest of the junks were said to be over 400 feet long and 150 feet wide. (The Santa Maria, Columbus's largest ship, was a mere 90 by 30 feet and his crew numbered only 90.)

Zheng He died in 1433. Columbus sailed to the New world in 1492.

So, why didn't another Chinese admiral take over from Zheng He, then sail to and colonize the New World before the Spanish, Italians, French, English?

Because the new emporer had the fleet burned in order to preserve Confucian Isolationism.

The Statue of Liberty could have been a Chinese lady holding a Chinese lantern.

Could the First President of the United States have turned out to be Chinese?

Will we have a Chinese President, eventually?


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Confucious say Emporer who play with Fire,,



dont know cant think of anything, confuciousy,,,


Me.

Originally posted by BobAthome
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Confucious say Emporer who play with Fire,,



dont know cant think of anything, confuciousy,,,


Me.

Well, I was kind of dumbfounded by how large the Chinese merchant and military fleet was back then.

China always had the labor force to cut down the trees to build the fleet.

It also dumbfounded me that after Zheng He died, the new emporer burned the fleet to the water line.

China is sometimes difficult to fathom (pardon the pun)..

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I admire your research and interest in history. Yet it should be noted that Leif Erikson is not
celebrated either. These explorers happened to somehow fall through the cracks of history.
History is written by the victors.

Concerning China, have you brushed up on this lately?

en.wikipedia.org...

www.foreignaffairs.com...

The above link is old news, yet still pertinant. After all you are discussing Old History.
I can assure you that it is yet still relative.

online.wsj.com...

These facts appears to be "falling through the cracks" lately as well.
When a lesson in humility is overdue, it is often acknowledged from old friends
before it is recieved from new enemies.

S&F

How do you figure to justify your headline?
Did he even make it around to Europe by rounding the horn of Africa?
Did he sail east and almost get to the Americans from that direction?
Mighty ships and much baggage does not an explorer make.

The virtually independent voyages by Europeans were the ones with the guts (or visions of glory)

I think that the Chinese may have been in the Americas thousands of years before Columbus.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I'm still dumbfounded as to why Columbus gets any credit for the "discovery" of the New World.
Leif Ericson did it 492 years earlier.

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Ahhh... I got side tracked watching PawnStars and you beat me to it.

Originally posted by Wildmanimal
reply to post by tonycliffs

 

I admire your research and interest in history. Yet it should be noted that Leif Erikson is not
celebrated either. These explorers happened to somehow fall through the cracks of history.
History is written by the victors.

Concerning China, have you brushed up on this lately?

en.wikipedia.org...

www.foreignaffairs.com...

The above link is old news, yet still pertinant. After all you are discussing Old History.
I can assure you that it is yet still relative.

online.wsj.com...

These facts appears to be "falling through the cracks" lately as well.
When a lesson in humility is overdue, it is often acknowledged from old friends
before it is recieved from new enemies.

S&F

I'm thinking that had Zeng He traveled into the interior of Mexico....as had the Conquistadirs years after his arrivial in the New World.....we would now be on the Chinese New Year Calendar.

Which would totally mess up the Mayan Calendar.

This would not be 2012, the world would be caving into itself this year for no apparent reason that we could understand.

But, as it stands, we do know about the Mayan Calendar and we have some understand why the planet will suffer unimaginably horrendous earthquakes some time before the next New Year.

Originally posted by Aliensun
How do you figure to justify your headline?
Did he even make it around to Europe by rounding the horn of Africa?
Did he sail east and almost get to the Americans from that direction?
Mighty ships and much baggage does not an explorer make.

The virtually independent voyages by Europeans were the ones with the guts (or visions of glory)

Yes to all your questions.

But Zheng He suddenly died during his some 28 years of seafaring exploration of the planet....after which the emporer burned the fleet to stop further exploration by other Chinese seafarers.

Originally posted by isyeye
I think that the Chinese may have been in the Americas thousands of years before Columbus.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Yes, during the Ming dynasty.......

Originally posted by FugitiveSoul
I'm still dumbfounded as to why Columbus gets any credit for the "discovery" of the New World.
Leif Ericson did it 492 years earlier.

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Ahhh... I got side tracked watching PawnStars and you beat me to it.

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Leif Ericson obviously did not have a very good celebrity agent.

I read an article recenty that entertained the idea that the "american indians" (or first American tribals to be more specific) may have actually come via the Atlantic ocean instead of using the bering strait. The argument was based on the fact the ancient Stone Age arrowheads and spear tips matched closer to the design of European tools and weapons from that time, and not Asian. Also, the earliest settlements seem to have been on the East Coast instead of the west. Last week I saw a show on History, which was discussing this same theory.

Originally posted by FugitiveSoul
I read an article recenty that entertained the idea that the "american indians" (or first American tribals to be more specific) may have actually come via the Atlantic ocean instead of using the bering strait. The argument was based on the fact the ancient Stone Age arrowheads and spear tips matched closer to the design of European tools and weapons from that time, and not Asian. Also, the earliest settlements seem to have been on the East Coast instead of the west. Last week I saw a show on History, which was discussing this same theory.

edit on 31-1-2012 by FugitiveSoul because: (no reason given)

In the book '1491,' the author states evidence that by the time Columbus arrived in the New World, there were already Mayan and Aztex cities much larger than London or Paris, and that the early pioneers had come from many different directions, not just across the Bering Straits.

Thus we have the comparions of the Egyptian pyramids to the Mayan pyramids, etc.

Columbus was a bit put out when one of the natives, asked him, in English, "can I have some beer?" British and other European fishermen had been sailing to the North American fishing grounds for year before Columbus, 'they' kept quiet about the good fishing, for obvious reasons.

Originally posted by pikestaff
Columbus was a bit put out when one of the natives, asked him, in English, "can I have some beer?" British and other European fishermen had been sailing to the North American fishing grounds for year before Columbus, 'they' kept quiet about the good fishing, for obvious reasons.

Columbus had Isabel as a sponsor.

The Native Americans had Budweiser as a sponsor.

Almost no contest, really.

But what sponsor took financial responsibility of Zheng He and the world's largest navy at the time? And was it because of a dispute between said sponsor and the new Ming emporeror that led to the burning of the fleet?

We can only marvel at the power of advertising in the New World.

That's because the next Emperor after him recalled the entire fleet and saw it as a huge waste of money.

And be damn glad to, because that's right before Gangis Khan swept out of Mongolia. Coincidence? If that fleet hadn't been recalled then he would have access to the both North and South America and history would have been different.

Perhaps that Emperor knew of the coming storm who knows? I do know that man and his fam ruled over the largest Empire in the world, overshadowing the Greeks and Romans.

But then again.. the Divine Wind DID sink damn near their entire fleet when they tried to invade Japan so who knows. When you look at it, at lot of "natural" events influenced the course of human history. A mere coincidence that the entire Spanish fleet was sunk at sea by a hurricane when Spain had the mightiest fleet in the western hemisphere during the war of 1812.

History rocks

Originally posted by cenpuppie
That's because the next Emperor after him recalled the entire fleet and saw it as a huge waste of money.

And be damn glad to, because that's right before Gangis Khan swept out of Mongolia. Coincidence? If that fleet hadn't been recalled then he would have access to the both North and South America and history would have been different.

Perhaps that Emperor knew of the coming storm who knows? I do know that man and his fam ruled over the largest Empire in the world, overshadowing the Greeks and Romans.

But then again.. the Divine Wind DID sink damn near their entire fleet when they tried to invade Japan so who knows. When you look at it, at lot of "natural" events influenced the course of human history. A mere coincidence that the entire Spanish fleet was sunk at sea by a hurricane when Spain had the mightiest fleet in the western hemisphere during the war of 1812.

History rocks

It's odd that we owe Thomas Jefferson and George Washington to the Mongols, and Ghengis Khan.

Geneticists say that almost forty percent of today's Chinese population can trace their ancestry back to Genghis Khan. He was a lusty fellow, obviously. With more wives and mistresses than most men could afford to keep.

But I'm curious as to other Confucian reasons why the Chinese chose to remain isolated, when they had a fleet large enough to colonize the New World, easily? There is something inherently mysterious about the Chinese psyche.

Maybe the Chinese soothsayers of the fifteenth century advised the emporer that the time was not yet ripe for China to colonize the New World. That China should wait until 2012 to do the deed?

I see an article that jobs are returning to North Carolina from China. Those jobs must be heavily indoctrinated, we're sure.

So whats the conspiracy theory here?

Originally posted by tonycliffs

Originally posted by FugitiveSoul
I read an article recenty that entertained the idea that the "american indians" (or first American tribals to be more specific) may have actually come via the Atlantic ocean instead of using the bering strait. The argument was based on the fact the ancient Stone Age arrowheads and spear tips matched closer to the design of European tools and weapons from that time, and not Asian. Also, the earliest settlements seem to have been on the East Coast instead of the west. Last week I saw a show on History, which was discussing this same theory.

edit on 31-1-2012 by FugitiveSoul because: (no reason given)

In the book '1491,' the author states evidence that by the time Columbus arrived in the New World, there were already Mayan and Aztex cities much larger than London or Paris, and that the early pioneers had come from many different directions, not just across the Bering Straits.

Thus we have the comparions of the Egyptian pyramids to the Mayan pyramids, etc.

I'll have to give it a read. T'would explain the differences between the Native Americans and the South Americans if they were interbred with Spaniards or other ancient Europeans. The new discovery off the coast of Georgia is also interesting. I've always said, if you want to look for ancient civilizations you need to look off the coasts under the sea, and not buried in the dirt. Mankind has almost always settled next to water, specifically the oceans, and as time passes, many of those ancient coastlines are now miles out at sea.

People were all over the world back then. They also found those red haired mummies in Asia that were older than any known Egyptian mummies, which I also found interesting. We know very little about our past. I think if we had some sort of looking glass or time machine to take a look back at those days we'd be shocked by how tech savvy they really were back then.

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Someone sent me an email about a discover of pyramids at least seven thousand years old found on the ocean's floor.

I'll have to go look for it next time I'm in my email.

Speaking of Egypt, apparently the great pyramid building epoch of Egyptian Pharaohs came to an end 4200 years ago because of a massive drought the dried up the Nile Delta region. Starving Egyptians resorted to cannablism.

Oh, well....pass the salt?