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Is It Crazy To Love Everyone?

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posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 09:15 AM
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Lets say someone raped and killed some children and the parents of the children wanted the attacker to be set free from jail and forgiven. Would the morality in this situation depend on if the attacker realized what he did and how it hurt the family? Would it be wrong for the family to forgive the man that destroyed their family?

Do you have to have limits on the golden rule? Say the father of the children pictured himself in the shoes of the attacker, maybe he would of thought he would like to be forgiven and shown mercy in those shoes.

Would it be crazy to forgive someone with that mentality of picturing yourself in their shoes and wishing for mercy even though the attacker doesn't care about his actions?

I guess what I'm getting at is, should we forgive/love people who haven't yet learned their lesson?




posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 09:17 AM
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Originally posted by Ralphy
Lets say someone raped and killed some children and the parents of the children wanted the attacker to be set free from jail and forgiven. Would the morality in this situation depend on if the attacker realized what he did and how it hurt the family? Would it be wrong for the family to forgive the man that destroyed their family?

Do you have to have limits on the golden rule? Say the father of the children pictured himself in the shoes of the attacker, maybe he would of thought he would like to be forgiven and shown mercy in those shoes.

Would it be crazy to forgive someone with that mentality of picturing yourself in their shoes and wishing for mercy even though the attacker doesn't care about his actions?

I guess what I'm getting at is, should we forgive/love people who haven't yet learned their lesson?



Use your brain and answer if you want to love a child raping pedophile yourself.



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 09:25 AM
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I think you can forgive and love but at the same time there hast to be laws, rules and penalties. You need order and discipline because sometimes people only learn the hard way, sometimes conscience needs some pain to grow.

In general, the best solution is to love and forgive but still do what the law says, in that example, that man, although loved and forgived would have to go to jail...



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 09:28 AM
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Actions speak louder then words , he has to show genuine regret to even be considered for forgivness.

There can't be anything to forgive if he is not sorry for his actions , and deeply regrets it . That wound takes along time to heal,

but if he shows consistency in those years of grief , then i would re-consider his plea. You don't have to love him , but you don't have to hate him either , there is dislike.

Only if he was truly sorry , i would eventually forgive .



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 09:30 AM
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Originally posted by yourboycal2
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Actions speak louder then words , he has to show genuine regret to even be considered for forgivness.

There can't be anything to forgive if he is not sorry for his actions , and deeply regrets it . That wound takes along time to heal,

but if he shows consistency in those years of grief , then i would re-consider his plea. You don't have to love him , but you don't have to hate him either , there is dislike.

Only if he was truly sorry , i would eventually forgive .


You take responsibility for your actions. No reason to forgive anybody that has committed murder of any sort. Who cares how sorry they are? Theyre only sorry they were caught. They deserve to be removed from society for the rest of their life.



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 09:45 AM
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Originally posted by theBigToe

Use your brain and answer if you want to love a child raping pedophile yourself.


I think you misunderstood me.

I'm just bringing this up for discussion sake to see how different people view this situation. I'm not talking about supporting murder and rape, I'm just mentioning if people like that deserve forgiveness and if so in what context.



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 09:48 AM
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There are plenty of reasons to forgive people , if there was no forgivness , then we should just put to death all the killers and rapists that are in prison now ?

didn't think so....


Killing the problem is not the solution , it only kicks the can down the road. A person who murders and rapes children , yes i agree should not be part of society , but should be allowed to live remainder of his life in designated areas. Forgivness comes with time. Everyone deserves forgivness if they are truly sorry ,and willing to do whatever it takes for society , to earn that trust back. If they willing to go through all of that , i don't see why not.

your empathy might have a limit , but mine i believe goes further



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 09:50 AM
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Originally posted by Ralphy

Originally posted by theBigToe

Use your brain and answer if you want to love a child raping pedophile yourself.


I think you misunderstood me.

I'm just bringing this up for discussion sake to see how different people view this situation. I'm not talking about supporting murder and rape, I'm just mentioning if people like that deserve forgiveness and if so in what context.




Its hard for people like that to answer your question. They are emotional thinkers ,

soon as you mention child rape murder , their brain turns red , and they only see one thing. Revenge , and vengence.

reason and logic is not their strong points in life , they are more of the meat heads who react heat of the moment type .

He is extactly the type i would not want near a firearms.



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 09:51 AM
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Originally posted by yourboycal2
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There are plenty of reasons to forgive people , if there was no forgivness , then we should just put to death all the killers and rapists that are in prison now ?

didn't think so....


You should give me a chance to answer before you answer for me
Thank you.


Originally posted by yourboycal2
reply to post by theBigToe
 


Killing the problem is not the solution , it only kicks the can down the road. A person who murders and rapes children , yes i agree should not be part of society , but should be allowed to live remainder of his life in designated areas. Forgivness comes with time. Everyone deserves forgivness if they are truly sorry ,and willing to do whatever it takes for society , to earn that trust back. If they willing to go through all of that , i don't see why not.

your empathy might have a limit , but mine i believe goes further


I never said that we should use capital punishment. I said that we should remove them from society for the remainder of their life. I dont know what you are trying to argue here.



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 09:54 AM
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do you believe that you're crazy? if it, you are, becase we all are one, is really crazy to know it?
if someone feels pain, it will affect you? and i mean in fisical way, will, maybe, that person attack you?
it will make you feel what he/she feels... or at least something close to it...

if you can forgive, you just understand yourself, and everyone, that's the first step



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 09:58 AM
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I was giving examples of not forgiving , and maybe not you , but some advocate cap punishment.

I also made it clear they should be in designated areas .

They are human beings just like any other , they have sexual urges towards children , and a sick mind to murder. I believe people can be rehabilitated . But many would rather see them perish , then to keep trying .

pedophilia is a major problem world wide , and some of our powerful leader have been accused of engaging in it . We have to get to the root of the problem , instead of patching it up



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 09:58 AM
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Originally posted by Questioneer05
do you believe that you're crazy? if it, you are, becase we all are one, is really crazy to know it?
if someone feels pain, it will affect you? and i mean in fisical way, will, maybe, that person attack you?
it will make you feel what he/she feels... or at least something close to it...

if you can forgive, you just understand yourself, and everyone, that's the first step


I would never forgive anybody that murdered my family or a friend. There is a difference between the law and forgiveness. Why on earth would you forgive somebody like that?



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 09:59 AM
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Are you perfect? Never did anything wrong in your life?
Show some mercy and compassion for your brothers and sisters, of course people must deal with their wrong doing but people like you only add more misery and negativity, no cure, no love, no evolution from you, why don't you grow up a little.



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 10:05 AM
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Originally posted by yourboycal2
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I was giving examples of not forgiving , and maybe not you , but some advocate cap punishment.

I also made it clear they should be in designated areas .

They are human beings just like any other , they have sexual urges towards children , and a sick mind to murder. I believe people can be rehabilitated . But many would rather see them perish , then to keep trying .

pedophilia is a major problem world wide , and some of our powerful leader have been accused of engaging in it . We have to get to the root of the problem , instead of patching it up


Well, I certainly dont prop up pedophiles...

You cant rehabilitate pedophiles (at least not with our technology). It is a sexual fetish and you cant be conditioned to not become aroused at what youre naturally attracted too. Its for a different topic, but is pedophilia wrong? No. You cant control anybodys private thoughts and neither can they, but is acting on that and taking advantage of a child who has no idea about what kind of consequences can come from having sex? Yes. That is why we have age of consent - where people are expected to have been educated on what could happen to them if they have sex. This kind of rational thinking should be applied to the law as well. I am a firm believer that the punishment should fit the crime. I am conflicted though on this as I also believe it is wrong to execute anybody because a) we should be above that kind of behavior as a society, and b) there is always the possibility of doubt and wrongfully executing somebody that was actually innocent.



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 10:08 AM
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Originally posted by Manula
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Are you perfect? Never did anything wrong in your life?
Show some mercy and compassion for your brothers and sisters, of course people must deal with their wrong doing but people like you only add more misery and negativity, no cure, no love, no evolution from you, why don't you grow up a little.


Perfect? No.
Not the kind of idiot that kills people? Yes.
Not the kind of idiot that would forgive somebody for intentionally bringing harm to my family or friends? Yes.
It would be one thing if my brother tried to rape somebody and he was killed because the other person was defending himself. It would be a totally different ball park if somebody just whacked him out for no reason. And that I would NEVER forgive. And no, sorry, it doesnt make me any less of a Human being as you, so take your moral high ground and go away. Thanks.



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 10:10 AM
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As a Christian, one must forgive unconditionally, regardless of what evils or horrors are done to yourself, or your friends, or family. To Love unconditionally, pray for their well-being and intercede for blessings and truth of salvation to fall upon him/her. To Forgive them, for they know not what they do. And to celebrate those who have passed away from such evils/violence, as they are now in the arms of their heavenly father, in paradise. And if they were specifically targeted for their faith, then they went as Martyrs, a glorious gift!

This is the core of what a Christian is, and must do, yet so many have forgotten. Life is but a wisp, a passing moment, whose purpose is to love and forgive unconditionally as the power of Christ empowers you to open the eyes of the blind to the light...



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 10:10 AM
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If we were expected to do everything Christianity teaches then we should be expected people to murder everybody that isnt a Christian. Deuteronomy 13.



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 10:13 AM
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Not with today's tech is right , there are ways though in the future . Espically with nano -tech.

a sexual fetish is nothing more then the pathways of the brain and neuron connections. , it can be altered

There are plenty of ways to deal with the brain , neurons , thought patterns and processes.

your a firm believer the punishment to fit the crime ? okay , who decides which punishment is equal to the crime?

what scale do you use?

capitol punishment is wrong because your just as ugly as the person who commited the crime. This is no secret. It only patches the problem , not fixes its root causes.

with time , new tech's , new therapy , new rehabilitation they can be fixed.

It is one of the many projects i want to tackle , and its on the to do list. I need to get alot of resources first to set up my own trials.

it can be done , but to dismiss them and never to forgive them doesn't help anybody , only compounds the problem. It may take a long long time , but if they do show improvment and genuine sympathy , i see no reason why not.



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 10:14 AM
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Love and forgive unconditionally. But the issue is, if somebody like that were to be set free, who is to say he won't do it again? Violent criminals must be put away from the population in order to keep them from continuing their cycle of violence. It's one thing to forgive someone, it's another to foolishly think they won't end up hurting or killing somebody else.



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 10:14 AM
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Originally posted by yourboycal2
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Not with today's tech is right , there are ways though in the future . Espically with nano -tech.

a sexual fetish is nothing more then the pathways of the brain and neuron connections. , it can be altered

There are plenty of ways to deal with the brain , neurons , thought patterns and processes.

your a firm believer the punishment to fit the crime ? okay , who decides which punishment is equal to the crime?

what scale do you use?

capitol punishment is wrong because your just as ugly as the person who commited the crime. This is no secret. It only patches the problem , not fixes its root causes.

with time , new tech's , new therapy , new rehabilitation they can be fixed.

It is one of the many projects i want to tackle , and its on the to do list. I need to get alot of resources first to set up my own trials.

it can be done , but to dismiss them and never to forgive them doesn't help anybody , only compounds the problem. It may take a long long time , but if they do show improvment and genuine sympathy , i see no reason why not.


Then we get into this topic - do you think the government has the right to force people to undergo treatment like altering their brain and thought process?



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