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posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 07:43 PM
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Originally posted by theubermensch
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TextRemember that Bomb in Bali? How many Aussies died? That wasn't aimed at Americans..


That was because of our military support we gave you when you invaded the Middle East.

Kinda the point of the thread. We need to distance ourselves from you.

If you had an understanding of what the objectives of the Islamic Extremists are....complete and total Domination of Islam being the one World religion.

I have nothing against Muslims but I will not hesitate to shoot dead an extremist. THIS is the choice you have to make...either stand up for yourselves and with your allies...or burry your head in the sand while someone chops it off! Split Infinity




posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 08:06 PM
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I may have been saying things about the US but I'm not super happy with my own gov neither, I have looked in the mirror plenty times, even questioned things I have seen and or done for the Aussie gov. So i'm not a big fan of either, not looking forward to things turning out the way they are for the world atm, and really don't wanna get getting pulled back into service because of it, im hoping not.

I agree with the fact our countries must stay allies, Id hate to go up against blokes I have personally worked with, would be a # state of affairs. I still don't agree with how far gillards nose is pushed up obama's ass though.
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posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 08:21 PM
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What's the difference between a muslim extremist and any other extremist?



posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 09:01 PM
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Originally posted by Garfee
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What's the difference between a muslim extremist and any other extremist?

Religion and you are right that there are differing degrees of how far a person will go.

Think of this.....You are an 18 year old who lives in Saudi Arabia. You have no job...no wealth of any significance. Alchohol is against the law. You can't look or even see pretty girl as they are veiled or covered Head to toe. Porn is illegal. You have no way to blow off steam and if you want sex...you must be married and to be married you need MONEY to get a wife.

So a slightly older person comes up to you and offers you an education...food, clothing and a place to stay and sleep. It is called a Madrassa that primarily teaches Islam. If you are deamed smart enough...you are sent to the West either Europe or the U.S. to gain an Education in a field that will be useful for terrorist orginizations....if not deamed smart enough....you get talked into wearing an explosive belt and sent at a target with the promise that you will have so many Virgins and Honor in the afterlife....very appealing to a VIRGIN!

With the exception of Jorden....right now this type of thing goes on all over the Middle East. It will get better with education and Democracy but right now...and this enlistment has gone down since the CIA started using Drones to kill Leadership of various terror orgs.

In Syria...you can walk down a street and see a sign over a Nice Office that says HAMAS or ISLAMIC JIHAD. These two groups attack Israel primarily but we do have communications with these groups and they could be turned into political ORGS under the right conditions.

ISRAEL needs to do what the U.S. tells it to do or there will be another war. Split Infinity



posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 09:08 PM
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You make a fair point. There's a fair few crazy christian virgins out there though and they worry me too!



posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 09:55 PM
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Australia retired it's F-111's. Leaving Australia with 71 old F-18 Hornets. Which can't fly far and are ooooold.

And you have 24 F-18 Super Hornets, which are better...but ain't no F-111 (range).


So you have less than 100 airplanes in Australia for combat, and can only use them for 300-400 miles from their base.


China's got thousands of combat aircraft, bombers, and refuelers.

Australia couldn't defend itself if it was fighting China. They have THOUSANDS of combat aircraft, stealth fighters, stealth bombers, aerial refuelers, bombers.....

Australia ain't got squat. Shouldn't have retired the F-111's.



posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 10:04 PM
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Yeah but they kept the Japanese from conquering new guinea, which won World War 2! Give them a break, they never needed us at all.




~SheopleNation



posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 10:09 PM
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Originally posted by Garfee
What's the difference between a muslim extremist and any other extremist?


Not much, because they are all brainwashed. However, the number of murders committed by Muslim extremists within just the last ten years far outweighs any murders done by media fabricated so-called Christian extremists. Just saying. I take neither side because I am a Universal Pagan myself. ~SheopleNation



posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 10:18 PM
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Originally posted by Pervius
Australia retired it's F-111's.



They were retired because they fell apart . 18 months ago they were lucky to be able to have 2 F111s from #1 Squadron Amberly capable of take off for joy flights over Brisbane , combat preparedness was nil


Australia should have talked to Russia about some Migs





posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 10:27 PM
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Why bother? If some of the America haters ever get their way, the end game will be China invading Russia for her vast natural resources if The United States is ever defeated. I think that the Russians understand this. ~SheopleNation

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edit on 31-1-2012 by SheopleNation because: TypO



posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 10:39 PM
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Originally posted by DevilsApprentice

Originally posted by Pervius
Australia retired it's F-111's.



They were retired because they fell apart . 18 months ago they were lucky to be able to have 2 F111s from #1 Squadron Amberly capable of take off for joy flights over Brisbane , combat preparedness was nil


Australia should have talked to Russia about some Migs




We should have kept those Migs that our SASR guys captured when taking Al Assad Air Base in Iraq. Unfortunately, we were restricted from doing so



posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 10:54 PM
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If Australia gave up control of the juicy girl bars they bought in the Philippines, Russia would give you free Migs.



posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 11:20 PM
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Should just spend our money on something useful , lets invite these guys over for beer and a show

Russian Knights Over Iran



More on topic .

I doubt most Australians know how badly we need American military support . This article
Courier Mail from today gives some insight into what's really happening . Man power retention is sh## , qualified staff are leaving for better paid work with better conditions in the private sector in large numbers after the initial sign up ,and too few people willing to enlist to make up for the shortfall .

Don't believe the # reports prepared by Defence for the Government , the press and the sheep on the street, if we were to be attacked American help is our only chance of repelling Air or Sea forces,we got too little equipment and men spread too thin on the ground .

Despite my dislike of pollitics and policies here in Oz and in the US , I'm not stupid enough to think we should ditch US help.

That's it for me on this .. have fun.

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posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 11:25 PM
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Originally posted by Pervius
Australia retired it's F-111's. Leaving Australia with 71 old F-18 Hornets. Which can't fly far and are ooooold.

And you have 24 F-18 Super Hornets, which are better...but ain't no F-111 (range).


So you have less than 100 airplanes in Australia for combat, and can only use them for 300-400 miles from their base.


China's got thousands of combat aircraft, bombers, and refuelers.

Australia couldn't defend itself if it was fighting China. They have THOUSANDS of combat aircraft, stealth fighters, stealth bombers, aerial refuelers, bombers.....

Australia ain't got squat. Shouldn't have retired the F-111's.


Luckily...China knows that if it were to invade Australia...the United States Military would destroy th invading force. China cannot sustain any invasionary tactics for any period of time. The ENTIRE CHINESE NAVY would be OBLITERATED before they got to within a thousand miles of Australia....and China KNOWS IT!
Split Infinity



posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 11:39 PM
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thats today.. their military is modernising at a very fast rate, yes they are still decade or so behind the US but they are modernising. but who is to say they wont just march all the way through to indonesia and invade from there? japan has done it.

in 20yrs time who knows what they will be capable of.



posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 11:52 PM
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Yeah totally, we should remain allies with the USA, but we should also have good relationships with China.



posted on Feb, 1 2012 @ 12:02 AM
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Originally posted by choos
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thats today.. their military is modernising at a very fast rate, yes they are still decade or so behind the US but they are modernising. but who is to say they wont just march all the way through to indonesia and invade from there? japan has done it.

in 20yrs time who knows what they will be capable of.

This statement of yours is based on propaganda that Corporate Military Lobbiests have been trying to engage the U.S. Congress...that China's Military Buildup is a threat. This is no where NEAR the reality.

The Chinese Military and ESPECIALLY the Chinese Navy is MULTIPLE DECADES behind the U.S. Military. You can google a Top Chinese Military figures visit to view U.S. Naval excersizes out of Norfolk as well as other excersizes performed by the U.S. Military as a guest. Google his report and how he got in trouble by saying in an interview with the worlds media....how backward the Chinese Military is and how they are Decades...PLURAL behind.

The U.S. is so far in advancement of any other Military on Earth that it is rediculous. Chinas Carrier that they purchased stricktly as a training vessal posses NO THREAT and it takes at least 5 to 60 years to properly understand and demonstrate carrier construction and design capabilities.

Within the next several years...all U.S. Carriers including the next generation Gerald R. Ford as well as all Ageis Class Cruisers will be armed with Nuclear Powered Free Electron Laser Systems....this is the weapons system that will make Nuclear Weapons OBSOLETE! We have nothing to fear from China...our problem is a Rouge State building or Buying a Nuke then selling it to a Terorist Group.

Even in this...China, Russia and the United States are working together as China and Russia have dropped support for Iran in any U.S./Iranian War or like how China is trying very hard to Reign in North Korea. The name of the game for all of the Big three is STABILITY! Not WAR! Split Infinity



posted on Feb, 1 2012 @ 01:47 AM
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In all honesty, I myself never alluded to Indonesians in my posting. Nor did I threaten anyone. It just goes to show people especially Americans how one sided people are. For that matter fine to hell with ANZUS, and our economic trade, military aid, black budgets...etc... Why don't we just close the door on Australia. You can't come here, we can't go there. You can't have our goods, we can't have yours (Not that we get much at all from you.) For god's sake close up every Outback Steakhouse. Surely we can close down the FOX studios there so you can't make our movies. Is that really what you Aussie's think about? Cause I think most Americans could really care less, but I am sure our economy & military isn't a crutch for your country and most others. Also I would like all the military hardware back not to mention reimbursement for that fine training we gave you. Fine I will even give you guys Ben Folds. Hard to give some people the carrot, when they beat themselves with a stick. Any who, in a world changing by the minute, and our absentee president (Obama.) The Aussies can fend for themselves, ha ha, not in today's world.......

29INFDIV



posted on Feb, 1 2012 @ 02:05 AM
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Also I would like all the military hardware back not to mention reimbursement for that fine training we gave you.



Um, did i just hear what i thought you said? Training
You do know right that Australian troops are among the best trained in the world, right next to the Canadians. In fact, your country sends thousands of troops down here each year for training from teh Australian Defence Force.

So in effect we train you. Our Defence Force teaches your military effective techniques that they are too stupid to think up themselves.



posted on Feb, 1 2012 @ 02:13 AM
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I don't even blindly follow America. I do how ever believe in being strategic. Tides are changing here, inevitably speaking. I am rather opposed to being a centrist. I will check those beers out (Thanks.)

29INFDIV





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