where is winter at this year?, page 2

I think you all should be looking at the arctic sea ice coverage. This together with the continued slowing of the ocean conveyer could put the northern hemisphere into a short ice age. Your weather is very worrying.

www.real-science.com...

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Yes and no. I'd like to get another 3-5 years of data before I'd say for sure, but I certainly wouldn't rule out the idea of global cooling. I actually tread more towards the idea of the earth cooling than warming. Fantastic read though!

Originally posted by Shugo
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Yes and no. I'd like to get another 3-5 years of data before I'd say for sure, but I certainly wouldn't rule out the idea of global cooling. I actually tread more towards the idea of the earth cooling than warming. Fantastic read though!

I have been watching and studying this since 1995. Much of the raw data that was available in '95 has vanished from the web. Ever since the ' Govts charge of the climate change' real raw data has gone! I used to access figures for ice volume and area. The ice volume loss is bloody alarming. While sea ice cover is alarming the ice sheet has little depth. As usual we are kept in the dark and fed on bull dust.

To put it simply, I doubt you have 3-5 years left!

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Originally posted by pheonix358
I think you all should be looking at the arctic sea ice coverage. This together with the continued slowing of the ocean conveyer could put the northern hemisphere into a short ice age. Your weather is very worrying.

www.real-science.com...

you do bring up a good point about the ice up north and the water flow. i know that it wouldnt be a good thing the water flow slows down or stops and the ice melting. i just dont know the out come of such an event like that. i guess time will tell

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Climatological data is available, and those are the only numbers that most people would even consider as a reference. Not only that, majority of that data actually does reflect changes in global climate. To say there's a blackout is a bit too far IMO.

Originally posted by Shugo
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Climatological data is available, and those are the only numbers that most people would even consider as a reference. Not only that, majority of that data actually does reflect changes in global climate. To say there's a blackout is a bit too far IMO.

How should I put this: I no longer trust data that is under control of the Govts. It is now so variable. Yes climate data is available but what you don't get is the raw data. You get whatever the Govts want you to get. Where is the Govt data explaining why winter took a holiday? Oh, yea, you don't need to see that, don't worry, it'll be a-ok.

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reply to post by pheonix358

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Climatology reports do not offer analysis of the cause and effect, they just report the data, raw as you say. The numbers are there, you add them up for the month by month, year by year, and they average out.

To accomplish what you're insinuating would require someone to collect their own data via their own instruments over the period of 50+ years. Or is that not what you're saying, you're doing a good job of being misleading. Not to sound disrespectful or anything, I just don't agree that NCDC data is tampered with anymore than any other data, raw or not.

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Guess what? This mild winter is going to be the cause of a drastic if not catastrophic increase in insects this year, both those that bother man and field crops.

Monsanto and the makers of Raid products will be so happy.

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I think this is the part where we all unanymously go "WHAT?!" Did I miss something somewhere in my gazes at the night sky? What is the media SUPPOSED to be reporting other than, it's weather, deal with it.

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i hear you there.... i live in the north of scotland (sometimes on islands too)... and am used to cold, harsh winters. usually we get snow from mid november to anywhere between february to april !! this year the weather has been REALLY warm for winter... had 3 days of very light snow all set apart by at least a week or so... usually its 4-6 ft of snow, temps drop low (the lowest we had was -26C - that was chilly!) but this year, none of that... barely any frosts either... i have mentioned to a few people that i find it fairly disconcerting that we havent had any sort of winter this year, it makes me wonder why? what is causing it? is it global warming? is it something thats been sprayed into the air over a long period of time, and is now affecting our weather system?


whatever it is i dont like it... as for summer i have no idea what it may bring... hopefully nothing bad, it would be nice to have a warm summer tho, its been a few years dince we had a nice one... fingers crossed !!

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