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Your Views On 'Smacking' children.

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posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 07:31 PM
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I was spanked as a child and each time before it happened I understood that I was deserving of it. I didn't like it but what kid doesn't not like getting away with being an ass? That said there is an old very saying ... spare the rod, spoil the child. It's worked for hundreds of years, imagine that? Also, these kids that you may see in public getting spanked...unless you plan on taking over the parenting and feeding of these children, mind your own dam business!




posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 07:46 PM
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I don't think it's right for any parent to hit their child. I no longer speak to my dad because of it.

I consider myself a pretty intelligent human being and it degrades and belittles me when I'm physically hit for making a mistake. It breeds resentment and anger in me, not a change of perspective.

I think some kids are inherently bad and smacking them will achieve nothing. The kids that ARE affected by physical punishment are only affected by it because of the fear and pain and embarrassment. I don't find this a healthy way of learning, but maybe that's just me.

I'm sure a lot of redneck hillbillies would disagree with me and say that all a good kid needs is to have the sh*t belted out of them like their parents did to them. I tell you what mate, I've never met a person who was physically punished regularly as a child grow up to be anywhere near "normal".

What's wrong with time-outs etc.? Why do we have this obsession with hitting people? If they honestly believe the Tottenham riots are a result of poor discipline they're f*cking out of their minds. elitist-induced poverty and the execution of a black man are the first key issues that jump into MY mind. if there wasn't an enviornment for civil unrest there wouldn't BE any civil unrest! god damnit i hate politicians



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 07:46 PM
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Originally posted by InfoKartel
Simple:

You do not lay your hands on a child. Do so and go to jail.

Simple enough yeh?



Why do you think many kids end up going to jail? No discipline.



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 07:54 PM
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Originally posted by refused
I don't think it's right for any parent to hit their child. I no longer speak to my dad because of it.

I consider myself a pretty intelligent human being and it degrades and belittles me when I'm physically hit for making a mistake. It breeds resentment and anger in me, not a change of perspective.

I think some kids are inherently bad and smacking them will achieve nothing. The kids that ARE affected by physical punishment are only affected by it because of the fear and pain and embarrassment. I don't find this a healthy way of learning, but maybe that's just me.

I'm sure a lot of redneck hillbillies would disagree with me and say that all a good kid needs is to have the sh*t belted out of them like their parents did to them. I tell you what mate, I've never met a person who was physically punished regularly as a child grow up to be anywhere near "normal".

What's wrong with time-outs etc.? Why do we have this obsession with hitting people? If they honestly believe the Tottenham riots are a result of poor discipline they're f*cking out of their minds. elitist-induced poverty and the execution of a black man are the first key issues that jump into MY mind. if there wasn't an enviornment for civil unrest there wouldn't BE any civil unrest! god damnit i hate politicians


No one is condoning beating the s**t out of children, or hitting them when they make mistakes. There is nothing wrong with time outs, but you know what? Sometimes it doesn't work! A time out isn't going to get a kid to smarten up quick every time, just like a spanking isn't appropriate for every outburst.

I know plenty of people who were smacked as kids, myself being one of them, and none of us were 'redneck hillbillies' and it is fairly ignorant to assume that anyone who condones a good smack when needed must be one.

I think a lot of people here are having a difficult time differentiating between a spanking and beating kids for the hell of it. They ARE NOT the same thing.



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 08:03 PM
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Screw these Hippies, my kid acts out of line they'll get a warning after that they get a smack. Look at how today's babied, undisciplined kids act. *snip*


 



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posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 08:07 PM
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It all depends, I don't believe in hitting a child but if your kid did something drastic I would say whip them. Never hit them in the face unless you want to go to prison. Children can be disciplined without hitting them, I know people don't want their kids afraid of them but usually you have no choice you have to be intimidating to them or they will step all over you.



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 08:11 PM
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I was a proper little bastard when I was a kid and was regularly smacked by my Dad.

I think the key word there is "regularly". If spanking works, then surely that word would be "rarely". But no matter how many times I was physically punished by Dad, (which resulted in huge painful red welts across my legs / behind / etc), I still managed to find myself in trouble and in line for another whoopin'. The one time I really behaved was after I'd played truant for three weeks. Instead of hitting me, Dad took away my keyboard. (I play keyboards). He told me that if I stayed in school for a month I'd get the keyboard back plus extra lessons. I did, and never stayed away from school again.

So I suppose I'm saying punishment didn't work, but reward most certainly did. Maybe I'm part dog.



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 08:13 PM
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The difference between discipline and abuse is personally and culturally subjective, which is why this is such a tricky topic. Most people in any culture would cringe at drawing blood, many would object to bruising, and some would draw the line at any mark (momentary redness) at all.

Personally, I don't think you should leave a bruise. Also, if you strike your child in anger, or there is a retaliatory aspect AT ALL you are wrong, period, and I consider that abuse. Much of abuse depends on the perception of the child as well. Know your kid.

My daughter is on the autistic spectrum. When she was in a full scale melt-down tantrum, many people would tell me to smack her. I would not. It would not have done any good, and in fact would have escalated the situation and been harmful. That isn't teaching, that is abuse. I would often have to pick her up when in public and sling her over my shoulder and just leave for the car. I would get a slew of nasty looks, and more than a few finger-shaking tirades that ranged from "You are abusing that child." to "You are giving in to the tantrum and should just spank her." Everyone has an opinion, which is rather the problem.

However, there were times when she was zoning out and not paying attention to her surroundings and no amount of yelling or funny noises would have gotten her attention. If she was reaching for a hot stove, or something harmful I'd smack her hand. If she was running hell-bent-for-leather into a dangerous situation, I'd grab her clothes, or her arm, or scoop around her chest, or whatever it took to keep her safe, and sometimes I did not have time to be careful.

If other methods to deter dangerous, or unacceptable behavior (barring melt-downs) had failed, I would do the ol' over-my-knee and a few swats, which is considered largely barbaric these days, and in my day my dad could use a belt... with a buckle... while he was drunk, and if you complained you were a snotty little turd. I got thrown against a wall when I was 12 and still have a wonky rib from it. Now, that is a ah... excessive (abuse just to be clear) shall we say, as far as I am concerned; however, the social pendulum has swung way too far in the opposite direction, well into the realm of absurdity.

Sometimes a kid needs, or should be smacked, and in my opinion most of the people whining about it are

A. Either still in or barely out of childhood themselves.

B. Do not have and/or have never had children.

or

C. Need to find something to occupy their time besides a self-righteous petty power trip.

Long story short...

Grow up or get over it.



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 08:17 PM
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In the end the plan is to get your kids so fed up with you that they turn to social order for structure. If they dont listen to you then they listen to a Khazar overlord. He will be the "good guy" and you will be a sperm donor. Break up the family by any means necessary. typical Khazar/ illuminati agenda. they know whats best



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 08:23 PM
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posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 08:25 PM
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Our "problems"with the younger generation have been going on since the dawn of civilization. Every generation thinks the younger ones are more spoiled, have it too easy, lack discipline etc. It's an age old story.

IMO this has nothing to do with the lack of hitting children but everything to do with a society sometimes moving faster than a parent realizes. Today's parent has to deal with cell phones, computers, the internet, rampant consumerism, texting and profanity laced reality TV to name a few. All kinds of information is bombarding our kids today that we as kids never had to deal with.

Frankly I think its a good thing that we refrain from hitting our children. I think it sometimes happens - we're human after all - and if it does its unfortunate. To me. its a sign of a parent at the end of their rope - one that has run out of viable options. Discipline doesn't have to resort to violence. The toughest discipline (and the kind kids most respect) is the kind that removes privileges, goods and services. I think its a sign of progress and understanding - there are much better ways to parent and teach children than by hitting. If we're going to keep progressing as people I think violence against our kids is something we need to try and avoid.



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 08:30 PM
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All the time.. We are Old school parents.
Our children know to obey us or get their ass beaten. A good old fashion spanking.
Now.:

They Have Honor!
They are Respectful!!!!!!!
Honor roll children.
They know what sex they are, they know what sex they should love romantically.
They wont be sexually confused.
No criminal record.
They have scholarships set up.
They wont be out haven orgies in parks and bitching because they have failed at life while everyone have succeeded.
They will be intelligent enough not to vote for a candidate just because he/she wants to legalize drugs.

Of course they had slip ups but Discipline has helped us raised some successful kids.
We raise our children the same way I was raised by my parents, and the same way my wife was raised by hers.

So while some of the "new age" American (along with other backwards thinking cultures/parents) kids are coming up with new words and phrases to abbreviate, being disrespectful, doing stupid things just because they want to get on youtube or jackass, or what other random video show my kids.

My kids along with the Chinese, Japanese and every other normal culture that is currently outperforming americans will be set up for life in the future.

So yes I "smack" my children I will continue no matter what the law is.

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posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 08:31 PM
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Originally posted by LonelyGuy

Originally posted by InfoKartel
Simple:

You do not lay your hands on a child. Do so and go to jail.

Simple enough yeh?



Why do you think many kids end up going to jail? No discipline.


Actually according to federal studies approximately 84% of prison inmates were physically abused as children. Sounds pretty simple to me.



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 08:51 PM
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you can blame Dr Spock all this,so we have a few generations of people not spanking.I can see it with my brothers step son. He is a smart wee bugger and he plays his mother like a fiddle and all she does is talk to him and time outs and I can see it doesnt do a damn thing. She has to repeat herself numerous times.She was a single mother for a long time, the kid is 10.You have to have a balance in everything you do and people go from one extreme to another. There must be a conditioning of the people because even seniors get up in peoples business about spanking kids who once did it themselves and their whole generation did it.Now in school they are told to call social services if they are getting hit at home and of course they are going to believe the kid, even if it was a simple spanking.So they have taken the power away from the parent and the teacher cant do it either so where does that leave the kid. A work mate of mine, his kid call social services on him and they came to the door so he grabbed his kid and told the social worker you can take her and slammed the door.The social worker knocked on the door again and said sorry and his kid never did it again. If you start young to discipline them it makes it easier but if you leave it too long then it becomes harder to do. Make your yes mean yes and your no mean no.Also have a united front with your wife or husband,back each other up so they cant play one against the other. Every kid is different and I have seen one kid laugh as he got spanked.You have to use all the tools and spanking of course is the last resort.My Dad use to take his belt off and beat the crap out of the furniture around me and scary the hell out of me and my Mum use the old wooden spoon and threaten with wait until your father gets home.



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 09:16 PM
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Originally posted by Blahable
All the time.. We are Old school parents.
Our children know to obey us or get their ass beaten. A good old fashion spanking.
Now.:

They Have Honor!
They are Respectful!!!!!!!
Honor roll children.
They know what sex they are, they know what sex they should love romantically.
They wont be sexually confused.
No criminal record.
They have scholarships set up.
They wont be out haven orgies in parks and bitching because they have failed at life while everyone have succeeded.
They will be intelligent enough not to vote for a candidate just because he/she wants to legalize drugs.


We raise our children the same way I was raised by my parents, and the same way my wife was raised by hers.

So while some of the "new age" American (along with other backwards thinking cultures/parents) kids are coming up with new words and phrases to abbreviate, being disrespectful, doing stupid things just because they want to get on youtube or jackass, or what other random video show my kids.

My kids along with the Chinese, Japanese and every other normal culture that is currently outperforming americans will be set up for life in the future.

So yes I "smack" my children I will continue no matter what the law is.


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If your kids are so well behaved… why in the hell are you hitting them?



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 09:22 PM
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Your post was interesting and truly heartfelt. I commend you for handling very well what must be an extremely challenging situation at times. Not easy at all. Parents of special needs children are all over the world and they all have very unique and often difficult decisions to make regarding the well being and raising of their children. As all of us do - we try and do the best we can.

Unfortunately many people believe that what was good for them as kids is good enough for their children. This is not always a easy as it sounds, nor is it always the best approach. Not everything our parents did was perfect nor is everything we do as parent. But parenting and child development is an emerging science and there is in fact a much greater understanding of how kids grow, develop and mature now than ever before. And that research shows that for the a majority of children (not all mind you - but a majority) the use of physical discipline was a negative impact on their lives and led to many other issues later in life. Here just a few facts:

www.dosomething.org...

Now I know we're not talking about abuse - however for many - this is less clear than you think. It can be a slippery slope of escalating violence. Is this the same as spanking? Of course not. But the messaging used to convey this sometimes takes things to an extreme in order for a point to be made. The fact remains that poor parenting is one of the major failures of modern society - and its not for the lack of physical discipline.

As for the end of your post, I'll avoid being insulted by stating that I am neither young nor childless and have very little time on my hands. I will say I never struck my kids once but found other ways to discipline them. They are now very successful people and I'm very proud of them. Different strokes for different folks as they say - but I'll stick to my ideals any day of the week.



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 09:27 PM
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Originally posted by Furbs

Originally posted by Blahable
All the time.. We are Old school parents.
Our children know to obey us or get their ass beaten. A good old fashion spanking.
Now.:

They Have Honor!
They are Respectful!!!!!!!
Honor roll children.
They know what sex they are, they know what sex they should love romantically.
They wont be sexually confused.
No criminal record.
They have scholarships set up.
They wont be out haven orgies in parks and bitching because they have failed at life while everyone have succeeded.
They will be intelligent enough not to vote for a candidate just because he/she wants to legalize drugs.


We raise our children the same way I was raised by my parents, and the same way my wife was raised by hers.

So while some of the "new age" American (along with other backwards thinking cultures/parents) kids are coming up with new words and phrases to abbreviate, being disrespectful, doing stupid things just because they want to get on youtube or jackass, or what other random video show my kids.

My kids along with the Chinese, Japanese and every other normal culture that is currently outperforming americans will be set up for life in the future.

So yes I "smack" my children I will continue no matter what the law is.


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edit on 30-1-2012 by Blahable because: (no reason given)


If your kids are so well behaved… why in the hell are you hitting them?


Like any children they "slip up", / "act up".
They do things they aren't suppose to do.
A Bad grade, maybe getting in a fight, typical child things, and letter from the teacher etc.

The discipline we use/d made those occurrences fewer and fewer...


Nice try though

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posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 09:36 PM
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Originally posted by mrsoul2009

Originally posted by LonelyGuy

Originally posted by InfoKartel
Simple:

You do not lay your hands on a child. Do so and go to jail.

Simple enough yeh?



Why do you think many kids end up going to jail? No discipline.


Actually according to federal studies approximately 84% of prison inmates were physically abused as children. Sounds pretty simple to me.


Yeah, because spanking your kid once in a while is the same as beating the crap of them everyday.

Just like those who can't see any difference between watching a woman and sexual harassment.
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posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 09:42 PM
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Originally posted by MonteroReal

Originally posted by mrsoul2009

Originally posted by LonelyGuy

Originally posted by InfoKartel
Simple:

You do not lay your hands on a child. Do so and go to jail.

Simple enough yeh?



Why do you think many kids end up going to jail? No discipline.


Actually according to federal studies approximately 84% of prison inmates were physically abused as children. Sounds pretty simple to me.


Yeah, because spanking your kid once in a while is the same as beating the crap of them everyday.

Just like those who can't see any difference between watching a woman and sexual harassment.
edit on 30-1-2012 by MonteroReal because: (no reason given)



Interesting analogy - but its never as black and white as you describe and isn't always all or nothing. There is a difference to these issues for you and me but for some others - they don't know the difference.



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 09:52 PM
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Originally posted by mrsoul2009

Originally posted by MonteroReal

Originally posted by mrsoul2009

Originally posted by LonelyGuy

Originally posted by InfoKartel
Simple:

You do not lay your hands on a child. Do so and go to jail.

Simple enough yeh?



Why do you think many kids end up going to jail? No discipline.


Actually according to federal studies approximately 84% of prison inmates were physically abused as children. Sounds pretty simple to me.


Yeah, because spanking your kid once in a while is the same as beating the crap of them everyday.

Just like those who can't see any difference between watching a woman and sexual harassment.
edit on 30-1-2012 by MonteroReal because: (no reason given)



Interesting analogy - but its never as black and white as you describe and isn't always all or nothing. There is a difference to these issues for you and me but for some others - they don't know the difference.


But sometimes they are black or white, watching a woman is not sexual harassment, having a fight with another kid in school is not being a bully, drinking a beer doesn't make you an alcoholic, and spanking your kid once in a while is not abuse.

I was spanked, i was definitely not abused, i spanked my nephew yesterday after he pushed his little brother against a wall, maybe the 4th or 5th time i did in his 4 years, he was not abused, so your numbers are not good enough, you are not proving anything.



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