I Was Arrested At Occupy Oakland Yesterday

Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
If it is public property this property belongs to the public. If some protestors want to camp in a public park, and as long as this camping causes no harm to others, then you are way of base with your smug prudishness. It is a mistake to think you can lecture me and many others in this site on the law. Your petty little ordinances, if they are unlawful, are just more acts of criminality perpetrated by government, but you being a sycophant of that, maybe you can erroneously lecture me on how this is a democracy and the majority gets to decide which rights will be pissed on.

edit on 30-1-2012 by Jean Paul Zodeaux because: (no reason given)

Spoken like a true ignoramus.

"Public property" does not mean that any individual can do whatever the hell they want to on it. "Public" refers to a collective population, who elect local representatives to act as agents of the public and make determinations such as where your lazy ass can pitch a tent and where it can not. These determinations are made on behalf of the collective public and are meant to serve the best interests of that public. We all agree to abide by the rules set forth by our representatives on matters such as how parks and other recreational facilities shall be used, so why can't you? Are you better than the rest of us? You make your own rules, do you?

Streets are "public property" also, but I am willing to wager that you're not allowed to camp in the middle of the street, either.

Originally posted by Dystopiaphiliac

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
reply to post by purplemer

 

Yes and the only thing Occupy can possibly achieve is ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT.

There is nothing wrong with a one world government. I don't understand why we still have imaginary lines in the dirt, and we still fight and kill over natural resources. I don't understand why people differentiate from one another because of their physical location. I find that pathetic.

Hitler thought like that, too. No borders - just him and his goons in control of the whole world. One world nazi government.

Nothing wrong with that....

Oakland is a very dangerous city..why are people surprised that the protesters became violent?
Second line

reply to post by Dystopiaphiliac

There is nothing wrong with a one world government. I don't understand why we still have imaginary lines in the dirt, and we still fight and kill over natural resources. I don't understand why people differentiate from one another because of their physical location. I find that pathetic.

You wouldn't live long enough to find out I am guessing.

All you people talking about one world government and how it's not bad. Talking about how the occupiers are criminals. Bah! You just don't know. I agree that OWS will get no where. If the powers that be want something then they'll get it! No getting around to it! War and FEMA camps are on the horizon and people are too drugged up or stupid to admit it. Us citizens have already lost this battle but we can still fight the machine in congress. If it were up to me I would call an audit and get rid of all those greedy, fat cat crooks and the dirty cops that spray and gas protesters. Those pigs are just private security for the elitist banker traitors that run the country and don't care about us. I know people are starting to wake up but more people need to realize that our government is nothing more that a democratic socialist party fronted by a puppet fool.

reply to post by AwakeinNM

Spoken like a true ignoramus.

This coming from the willful ignoramus who decidedly ignored the Declarations of Rights listed in a Constitution in order to make general remarks that have little to do with camping, a long held American past time.

You ignored the fact that I spoke to parks in regards to camping, and you use this ignorance to play pot calling kettle black, but I assure you sport, I am no kettle, and if you want to remain ignorant of the law this is your business, but all it takes is just a few protestors charged with illegal camping in a public park to challenge the unlawful legislation to get that charge against them dismissed and use that dismissal to sue the City of Oakland and cost that city far more than they are claiming they lost by having campers in a public park.

Ignorantia juris non excusat!

Learn the law! Deny actual ignorance not your pathetic pretense of an accusation of it.

I like the movement but all you would need to do is pay a few people to stir up trouble and influence the crowd negatively to get the protest diffused. It's not rocket science.

reply to post by mojo2012


Like George Bush's inauguration www.youtube.com...

Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux

Originally posted by dayve
All you guys are doing is making things worse. Camping out on public property cussing at police is not the brightest idea im glad you guys get shot with tear gas... Maybe a few of you can go find jobs and buy some of your own property to occupy.

This may come as a surprise to you but when campers go camping it is generally on public property. Maybe you can rejoice when the cops go to tear gas campers for camping in Yellowstone Park, which is public property. Maybe you can dance in the streets, (public streets), when cops go to tear gas people for camping in the Redwood Forest, yet another public property. Or maybe you can lay off whatever gas your inhaling and get a clue.

First of all..... None of that is relevant to what you lames are doing, your not camping at yellowstone park, or dancing in the street peacefully. Your running around with gas mask and bandanas on challenging police, burning the american flag, wasting all the cities resources all on YOU. How are you going to set up tents at a popular downtown plaza, take up the whole park so people cant take their kids, smoke weed like a bunch of hooligans and actually pat yourselfs on the back for it. The majority of you fools are hippies and homeless people, that dont know squat... My taxes are paying for all these resources going to the extra police being swarmed in to herd you sheep from spot to spot, ill be glad when every one of you birdbrains is removed from society, into jail or another country. "Occupying" on a college campus telling students not to go to class is retarded.... If you can tell me one positive recognizable change that has come from this, I will shutup.

reply to post by dayve

First of all..... None of that is relevant to what you lames are doing, your not camping at yellowstone park, or dancing in the street peacefully.

First of all...there is nothing more lame than an arrogant poser who foolishly presumes that just because a man defends the rights of a group of people they are a part of that group. I am long on record in this site for being extremely hard on the so called "OWS" movement, sport, so right out of the gate all you managed to do was brag about your own ignorance.

Secondly, there is most assuredly a relevance to Yellowstone Park, a public park and a local park in a city as being public and that parks are where one would naturally camp if one were to camp. So once again, in the same sentence, all you've managed to do was reveal your ignorance.

You of course then disintegrate into a rant against "OWS" all the while prancing like a talentless dancer pointing the finger at me as if I have anything to do with this silly leaderless movement that tragically will accomplish little more than petulance and dismay because nothing was accomplished. See how I did that? I just showed you a better way to criticize the so called "Occupy" movement in a much more constructive way, all the while exposing you for the fraud you are.

Deny ignorance.

Originally posted by AwakeinNM

Originally posted by Dystopiaphiliac

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
reply to post by purplemer

 

Yes and the only thing Occupy can possibly achieve is ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT.

There is nothing wrong with a one world government. I don't understand why we still have imaginary lines in the dirt, and we still fight and kill over natural resources. I don't understand why people differentiate from one another because of their physical location. I find that pathetic.

Hitler thought like that, too. No borders - just him and his goons in control of the whole world. One world nazi government.

Nothing wrong with that....

Dude seriously what the f**k? Did you seriously just liken my personal ideologies to hitler's movement?

I do not want invisible lines on dirt to dictate what others think about me.
I do not want living beings to destroy each other over petty material goods.
I do not want anybody to suffer the pain of starvation or illness.
I do not want multiple languages causing misinterpretations and confusion.

Stop screaming your head off every time you hear the term one world government. Give me one solid reason why separation, miscommunication and war benefit humankind over the opposite?

The neatest thing about occupy to me is that it is showing statism and the police state for what it is, and for who it is really working for.

But it seems to me that there's a whole generation of young folks that are learning a bit about urban warfare and revolution on their feet.

Tree of liberty and all, I guess that's not a bad thing.

I don't buy into the propaganda about oh they are nasty, they stink, they pee, they defecate. You know what? Everyone does those things in some place, at some time, or another.

reply to post by Duceis


Word up. They make em different in Oakland. Them folks do not play around. The home of the black panthers is enough said right there. If any type of revolution of organizing is going to happen, I think it is going to have to begin in the west. Its a different mindset there. Oakland we are behind you, lead this to wherever it leads. You have the eyes of the world in your grasp, what are you going to do Cali?

reply to post by Dystopiaphiliac


So you think there should be one language? Lemme guess, english? Just take away Spanish, french, dutch, iranian, Indigenous languages. That sounds wonderful, not.

Sorry just realized this has nothing to do with the thread, like everything on ATS someone says something that has nothing to do with the thread and then someone else comments and by the time the 4th page hits it is a whole new thread. Sorry OP, your the man for going to the Occupy Oaktown protests

reply to post by Dystopiaphiliac

I do not want invisible lines on dirt to dictate what others think about me.

That should be easy to fix. Ask your government to make the lines visible by erecting a wall or fence.

Anyway even if there were a "One World Government" people will continue to think of you according to your place of residence like city, territory etc, which too are bounded by invisible lines in dirt based on the dominant behaviour of people in the geography. One world government is not going to solve your problem, a change in the behaviour of people around you is.

I do not want living beings to destroy each other over petty material goods.

So you would be happy if they are destroying each other over non-material things like which God to believe in etc?

"One World Government" is not going to stop crimes of either individuals or groups.

I do not want anybody to suffer the pain of starvation or illness.

Cool! You must have some magic formula that will deliver food to whoever wants it in whatever form and quantity upon demand and a cure-it-all formula for all illnesses that you are willing to share only with the "One World Government".

I certainly don't have an answer to that. May be once you can demonstrate the ability, you could become the "One World Government".

I do not want multiple languages causing misinterpretations and confusion.

As if there is no misinterpretation and confusion between those that speak the same language! But sure we can all speak one language. Should we choose it based on the most spoken native language today? Say Mandarin Chinese? May be we should all vote on what it should be? My vote goes to Swahili

reply to post by MemoryShock


Good on you, and good on the Occupy movement!

It is because of the courage and perserverance of the Occupy movement that the absurd wealth imbalance in this country is a topic of discussion... and that needs to happen.

Good on you guys!

The video has been removed by the user?

reply to post by MemoryShock


thank you, thank you, thank you

thanks

that sounds like a typical response when you critize wars , and they cry

"do you not support the troops" ? lol

i see your response closely mirrors MSM views :p

i don't have to support bank bail outs , to reject lost hippies.

Those lost hippies can see something is wrong, those lost hippies are only being rejected by people without the ability to discern their true function.
It is pretty easy to achieve a hitpiece amongst thousands of people, you could probably turn up at the senate or congress and make senators and congressmen look stupid by arbitrarily editing enough statements into what you want it to say.
People also become educated (aligned in reason and action) at these events in time.
People who need to see something change will always align themselves with whatever movement looks promising, this does not mean they are ONLY "useful idiots", they provide a service to everyone who is worried about the "Rule of law" under which we find ourselves.
It is very easy to post a youtube with condescending attitudes and a "they are so dumb" message, if those hippies are lost for a TRUE movement, why aren't you pointing that out.

Do you think there is nothing wrong at the moment, that all these stupid lost reject hippies are overreacting?.
You fail to see that the only place evidence can be gathered of the "arbitrary anti constitutional"laws that have come into effect, is in the breach of peoples rights and to see unnecessary violence used against them whilst those "Laws" are enforced.
Would you call the canary in the coal mine stupid? or, Helpful?.
No matter how ignorant you are, Somebody else jeopardising their liberty to show you how bad things are is something to be applauded, and only a govern-mental administrative autodidact would fail to see it for what it is and reject it out of hand while trying to belittle the effort.

I am no lover of the occupy movement i believe they are a bunch of super sheep that haven't looked at the full picture, and the real backing behind the organisers and don't care enough or have the nousce to try.
I also see them for what they are, people who are sick of the way things are and would rather try and do something, anything.
You cannot tell them how retarded they are for jumping on the bandwagon and providing the government with the reasons to be more draconian whilst never having a chance of achieving anything.
They like many are incapable of thinking beyond their intolerance's, insulating yourself with the assurity that you are right and someone else is wrong only means that both sides miss the best opportunities for working together.

My definition of a useful idiot? the 9/11 hijackers, someone who is CO-OPTED unknowingly into an operation and used for a purpose beyond their perceived role.

I will argue that is what the lower echelon of the occupy movement is, that it is CO-OPTED that they do not know why they are there.
I'd say they think know exactly why they are there, and in time, we will see exactly for what purpose they will be used.
The definition of useful idiot does not go far enough to describe what the movement is.

the time has come to begin the fight back! i hate violence but it has been at the point where the establishment will use violence without a second thought. we are the majority we are the 99% and if we don't act now then we will lose any chance of creating a society that we can all live and prosper in, not just one for the 1%. my brother showed me a video that gave me hope that the masses may not be as oblivious to police brutality as i thought, but then again this was at a football (soccer for americans) game. basically a pitch invader is detained by police and then beaten suffice to say the crowd do not agree. the score for this game. The People 1 Authority 0.



Remember WE ARE THE MAJORITY.