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“I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in anyway the social and political equality of the white and black races – that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied everything.”
Originally posted by sheepslayer247
I'll just add quickly:
I believe the civil war was fought over taxes and states rights.
Slavery was abolished the day the Constitution was signed. The Emancipation Proclamation was all fluff.
By the way, what does this have to do with the flag?
Originally posted by alldaylong
History is always written and skewed by the victors.
You hit the nail on the head with that phrase. To Americans (Who where the victors in The Revolution) The Founding Fathers Where Hero's And Freedom Fighters. In reality The Founding Fathers where nothing more than crooks who where looking after their own self interests:-
South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley isn't retreating from her decision to keep the Confederate flag atop the north end of the Statehouse in Columbia despite complaints from the NAACP, whose president this week said the ethnic minority governor is a "contradiction" for allowing the flag to fly. Speaking to a crowd at an NAACP national conference in Los Angeles on Monday, NAACP President Benjamin Jealous attempted to shame Haley into removing the flag by comparing African American slavery to oppression Haley's ancestors in India faced under British rule. Read more: www.foxnews.com...
Originally posted by sheepslayer247
reply to post by lapi7
There are those that believe the confederate flag = racism. But their are also people that look at any flag and fall into a patriotic frenzy...confederate or otherwise. They are both wrong.
I do my best to judge people as individuals regardless of what flag they stand beneath.
George Carlin said it best when he said: "I leave symbols to the symbol-minded".edit on 29-1-2012 by sheepslayer247 because: (no reason given)edit on 29-1-2012 by sheepslayer247 because: (no reason given)
Gov. Rick Perry: Texas Could Secede, Leave Union
Texas -- Texas Gov. Rick Perry fired up an anti-tax "tea party" Wednesday with his stance against the federal government and for states' rights as some in his U.S. flag-waving audience shouted, "Secede!" An animated Perry told the crowd at Austin City Hall -- one of three tea parties he was attending across the state -- that officials in Washington have abandoned the country's founding principles of limited government. He said the federal government is strangling Americans with taxation, spending and debt.
Originally posted by Violater1
The stars and bars represent mans enslavement to man, greed, prejudice, and unlawful prosecution. If your for that kind of thing, then this flag is for you.
My Flag has 50 Stars and 13 Strips. My other flag says, "Don't Tread on Me."
Originally posted by autowrench
reply to post by lapi7
Starred and flagged, fellow Reb. Great and informative post there. I full agree, having studied a lot on the War of Northern Aggression. That photo in my avatar is my Great Great Grandfather, my family lost all of the family land, and money in that bloody war. The bad thing is, I see it happening again if things don't change soon.
edit on 1/29/12 by autowrench because: (no reason given)
Why is the institution of American slavery more potent and repugnant than the many other horrific atrocities carried out by those whose banners you honor and salute today?
Originally posted by tnhiker
Lived in the south my whole life and always get irritated at the irrational hatred people spew about the confederate flag. The civil war was not about slavery. The northern states had slaves as well, but people tend to forget that tidbit of history. The civil war was fought over states rights and the unfairness of the agriculture vs industry between the north and south. That was the main reason.
The prohibition of slavery in the Territories, hostility to it everywhere, the equality of the black and white races, disregard of all constitutional guarantees it its favor, were boldly proclaimed by its leaders and applauded by its followers.
With these principles on their banners and these utterances on their lips the majority of the people of the North demand that we shall receive them as our rulers.
The prohibition of slavery in the Territories is the cardinal principle of this organization.
The hostility to this institution commenced before the adoption of the Constitution, and was manifested in the well-known Ordinance of 1787, in regard to the Northwestern Territory.
It has grown until it denies the right of property in slaves, and refuses protection to that right on the high seas, in the Territories, and wherever the government of the United States had jurisdiction.
It refuses the admission of new slave States into the Union, and seeks to extinguish it by confining it within its present limits, denying the power of expansion.
It has nullified the Fugitive Slave Law in almost every free State in the Union, and has utterly broken the compact which our fathers pledged their faith to maintain.
It advocates negro equality, socially and politically, and promotes insurrection and incendiarism in our midst.
A geographical line has been drawn across the Union, and all the States north of that line have united in the election of a man to the high office of President of the United States, whose opinions and purposes are hostile to slavery. He is to be entrusted with the administration of the common Government, because he has declared that that "Government cannot endure permanently half slave, half free," and that the public mind must rest in the belief that slavery is in the course of ultimate extinction.
That in this free government all white men are and of right ought to be entitled to equal civil and political rights; that the servitude of the African race, as existing in these States, is mutually beneficial to both bond and free, and is abundantly authorized and justified by the experience of mankind, and the revealed will of the Almighty Creator, as recognized by all Christian nations; while the destruction of the existing relations between the two races, as advocated by our sectional enemies, would bring inevitable calamities upon both and desolation upon the fifteen slave-holding states.
The ignorance of northerners astounds me about the south. No, we aren't gonna rise again, no we don't all drive jacked up trucks, yes we have running water and internet and indoor plumbing. And yes, we know the history of the confederate flag better then anywhere else in the country.