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CONFIRMED: Global Warming 'Ended 15 Years Ago'

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posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 11:48 AM
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Originally posted by Ittabena
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Not according to NASA & Weather.Com:


NASA


Read Richard C. Hoagland's latest book, he is the NASA employee who proposed the plaque on Voyager. He referred to his former employer as Never A Straight Answer.

Or check out Jim Marrs book The rise Of The Fourth Reich.

Quoting propagandists, might as well quote FOX NEWS.


You're going to have to do better than Richard C. Hoaxer!! Soon as you said his name, your post had no credibility. You should start reading some real authors.




posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 12:11 PM
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Oh I should have said that the gravitational pull of the moon affects weather patterns. That is why people complaining that it's hotter than usual is not a gauge for the overall effect of co2 on climate.

While the moon has no direct effect on the earth's weather, the moon's gravitational pull---a kind of magnetic tug from the moon to the earth---affects rising and falling tides and ocean currents, which in turn affect the shifting weather and climate patterns on the earth.


The moon's gravitational pull on the earth causes ocean tides to rise (slip onto land) and fall (slip away from land). According to the National Geographic's Moon Facts webpage, the moon's gravitational pull causes two conflicting tidal bulges, or swells, of water on the earth's oceans. One swell, the strongest, causes ocean waters to pull toward the moon. The other swell causes ocean waters to pull away from the moon. Both forces cause what we call high tides. As the earth rotates, these swells or water-forces move around with the earth's orbit.


The ocean tides caused by the moon affect ocean currents, which bring new temperatures and weather patterns onto the mainland. Oceans have two types of currents: surface currents and deep-flow currents. The wind causes most surface currents; deep flow currents are caused by a mix of heated waters (tropical or Pacific), cold waters (like Arctic), precipitation levels and evaporation.

www.ehow.com...

But then there is this


According to NASA's Solar Exploration website, the moon's constant daily and monthly rhythms influence the earth's cycles. Tides as well as the stability of the earth's axis cause a relatively stable climate on earth.


And this for the moon "falling away from the earth"

Many people are surprised that the Moon is falling away from the Earth. They quite naturally expect that gravity would pull the Moon down to Earth. But the measurements of the distance to the Moon are not controversial. Nobody disputes that the Moon is escaping from the Earth. Even before Apollo 11, radar measurements showed that the Moon was getting farther away from the Earth. The Apollo 11 laser experiment just improved the accuracy of the measurement.
There is a good physical explanation that describes why the Moon falls away from the Earth. As the Moon orbits the Earth, it causes the ebb and flow of the tides. It requires work on the part of the Moon to lift the water to create a high tide. Most of this work is wasted because man fails to take advantage of it, except in Holland where there are some tide-driven hydroelectric plants.2 Man's failure to take good advantage of this work does not diminish the fact that the Moon is doing the work and must therefore be losing energy. (If the Moon could do work without losing energy, then we could use it to build a perpetual motion machine, which is impossible.)




www.ridgenet.net...



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 12:16 PM
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I'd like to see more than the data of these weather stations. Since it seems that NO scientists were ever paid off by Big Oil & Gas to tell us we are in serious trouble except a handful belonging to the Koch bros. If you don't think we are in serious trouble, well, that's your belief. You are an idiot, that is my belief. But think about this: Global Warming is a "hoax," a "conspiracy" that intends what? Intends to prevent our industries and ourselves from pouring hundreds of MILLIONS of tons of pollutants into our atmosphere? That intends for us to NOT strip the Ozone layer away? That intends for us to get free of burning fossil fuels for light, warmth, and heat? That intends for us to stop raping the earth for more coal, gas and oil? That horribly plans for us to stop air and water pollution, fracking, and making huge decisions on how the Third World should die at the hands of the 1 %? So this whole "conspiracy/hoax" of Global Warming was formulated by Al Gore, the man who literally was supposed to be the next President after Clinton, and whose election results were stifled and stolen by the Oil corporation Pocket Monkey and Stupidest President Ever, G.W. "The Decider" Bush, justto make Gore rich off a movie he spent years working on? (Not to mention allowing him to be bashed back and forth in the public debate forum for the past eleven years! Which I am sure his money and "power" assuages...) Well if that's what the hoax is doing, it's better than believing in Non-Global Warming, which means simply "more of the same" as far as death and pollution and corporate rule goes. We KNOW that the corporations paid a great deal of money (in a true and real conspiratorial campaign...and isn't this site about conspiracies???) to destroy the true numbers on Global Warming. We KNOW they hired a scientist to wreck the other scientific data by going over it with a fine toothed comb, and what did he find. just two months ago? GLOBAL WARMING IS REAL. Now, I for one would rather believe that the Oil companies got hold of this new data and STRIPPED it of it's meaning. What do you want to bet? Hmmm? What's amazing to me is that here is a massive collusion on a global scale of Oil companies and industrialists we KNOW are trying to quash Global Warming...and ATS conspiracy "studs" are calling Global Warming the conspiracy! WTF ATS?




posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 12:17 PM
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more of moon and earth climate


In conclusion, the Moon does affect the Earth’s climate. It may even be fundamental to the maintaining and stabilisation of the seasons. There is also growing evidence that the Moon can influence generations of storms and rainfall, (although untangling this effect from the influence of Sun Spots is not universally accepted). Eventually energy loss by tidal forces will slow the length of the day to say 25 hours and the Moon’s distance from the Earth is also slowly increasing. Luckily any noticeable effects will take 10s of millions of years and way before then the next Ice Age will be far more of a problem for mankind.


clivebest.com...



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 12:20 PM
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Actually you're wrong. Many people are denying any environmental effects. Many believe the Earth is too big to be damaged by us puny humans.

Like I said, I don't think there's anyway to deny the man made CO2 is having an effect. It's really simple. Now, to what extent can be debated, but SCIENTISTS look at parts per million and those ARE rising and HAVE BEEN since the Industrial Revolution. The only way anyone can deny it's having an effect is if one believes that CO2 is not a greenhouse gas.

But even IF the jury is still out, why continue a practice that is having many other negative environmental and social effects? Shouldn't we error on the side of caution?? We're going to have to learn to get off of fossil fuels at some point ANYWAY.

Gee let's see. We could either error on the side of caution and learn to live an abundant life without creating harmful waste, like humans did for thousands of years, except now we have advanced technology that allows for many modern conveniences (check out cradle to cradle design), or take our chances on something we don't fully understand and possibly create a horrible world for our children and grandchildren.



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 12:34 PM
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I cant find any data that proclaims the suns output is constant.

I have found this:
earthobservatory.nasa.gov...
And this:
www.giss.nasa.gov...

My whole point is this: We do not understand all of the process's involved. Scientist's cant even tell me what the weather is going to be like in a few weeks. You cant take a giant leap and predict what is going to happen to the planet in a few decades, nobody can. Please entertain there is something you DO NOT KNOW, something that nobody knows yet.

What is for sure is that there have been mass extinctions... can we agree on that ? And can we agree that nobody was driving cars around then ?

PS: Sorry for being smug, I was greeted with it.


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posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 12:38 PM
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I feel global warning was the calm before the storm. History has it that we enter ice ages quite frequently, so its possible that an ice age is on its way.



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 12:38 PM
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Global Warming is a "hoax," a "conspiracy" that intends what?


Well for one thing, certain people made a lot of money talking about it, then built a big mansion home right on the oceanfront.

But the bigger portion of this relates to the UN Agenda 21 and the Rockefeller depopulation agenda. That's where the real conspiracy comes in. The Bilderberg connection shows that at their secret meetings, they have indicated that they want a global tax no matter how it is presented to the people as necessary, but they at one time thought the masses weren't quite ready to accept it. Global warming was thought to be a great way to convince the masses that a UN global tax was needed, and statements from Maurice Strong and other AGW advocates say outright that they would say anything to make it happen. Then there is the CoR, which has Al Gore and Bill Gates as members. CoR is inviolved with the UN and Gates advocates vaccines for population control. He said as much at a TED conference.

I almost forgot. After Climate Gate and Congress not passing Cap and Tax, they decided to change their focus to an economic crisis as the reason for a global tax. And right now Richard Trumka can be found espousing that financial tax along with his European socialist buddies Internationally.
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posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 12:39 PM
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Global warming is a doomsday theory that is actually legit.

I used to be a denier, but who wouldn't want to deny that the world is pretty much ending and it's all our fault?



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 12:40 PM
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Originally posted by Reflection
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Actually you're wrong. Many people are denying any environmental effects. Many believe the Earth is too big to be damaged by us puny humans.


I challenge you to find a respected scientist that is remotely connected to this field who does not believe that modern life is degrading the environment.



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 12:43 PM
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The OP is a bunch of bunk! Neither the Met Office or University of East Anglia released this story. In fact, recent press releases from these organizations indicate that global temperatures continue to rise and that 2011 was one of the hottest on record. Check the original sources before believing anything from Daily Mail.



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 12:46 PM
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Originally posted by Vexatious Vex


Huh, then I guess this is just a pretty colored video huh?


Great video.

From my experience, in my country, on the last 10 years, we have been on a climate which is very strange. We had Summers where a lot of forest fires appeared (a huge amount of them were on purpose), and we had Summers when it almost seemed like Autumn.

However, everyone here sees that the 'cold' Summer and the 'hot' Summer are very extreme. We usually had a 'normal' Summer, but in 10 years, I can only remember of 2 Summers like that, which is very strange, I've gotta say.

Now: are humans responsible for this? Well, some say that we are. Others say we aren't. However, the oceans' PH is acting crazy, due to our CO" dependance. Trees are being cut on a insane rate (in my country, it's just sad to see a lot of old forests being chopped off), and that leads to that extreme weather I talked about before. In other cases, we have some huge problems when trees are no longer there to hold the soils, etc.

My point is quite simple: we are not probably the main reason, but we are for sure the co-workers. I for one, try to take care of the environment as much as I can, since I love "green", instead of the "concrete world".

PS: I'm sorry for the rubbish english. It's just not my native language

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posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 01:15 PM
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Over 2000 record warm temps have fallen this year alone but the OP wants us to believe an Iceage is coming. By the way, where is the auther of this OP?? Shouldn't he/she be here to defend their post...yet they are not!



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 01:21 PM
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I thought the earth was always warming. Because of the sun and all. maybe its just me.



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 01:25 PM
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One of the most succint posts I have read. You said so much that needs to be said in such an easy manner.

Even in my short 27 years I have noticed cycles in the weather, even the past decade has been different to what I remember as a youngster, back when we were told about the green-house effect and global warming.
Through that decade I believed that whole principle. It was just with browsing and searching, as one does, that I came across information that made one think about the premise of a heating earth and the propaganda that goes along with it.

There are great cycles on this great earth, they are spawned of chaos, they exist toward order.
there is much learning to be done, by all of us

The earth, on average, has been warming for the past 20 thousand years. (As a side note the earth has been cooling down basicly since it was born.) But remember, the earth has never seen a paradise-like constant.



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Oh, by the way, the Earth has not lost the Arctic Polar Ice Cap

linky pooh

linky pooh, no. 2 coz I like this new image I found


Thanks again for that awesome post eriktheawful



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 01:46 PM
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Man made or not - it doesnt give us a free ticket to not care about what we could be, adversely, adding to - like it's some go ahead to continue with all the status quos because all the human impact data isnt real or accurate. I dont know what to believe about climate change - I just know it IS changing, and I personally dont want to add to that problem in ANY degree. A man made global warming hoax is not a get out of jail free card.



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 01:49 PM
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Just a matter of time I suppose, not sure if anyone has posted this yet but here it is, The Met Office's official debunk of the Dailymail article. So yet again, a "Vast Global Warming Conspiracy" thread gets flushed:

metofficenews.wordpress.com...



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 02:05 PM
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Originally posted by Floydshayvious
Man made or not - it doesnt give us a free ticket to not care about what we could be, adversely, adding to - like it's some go ahead to continue with all the status quos because all the human impact data isnt real or accurate. I dont know what to believe about climate change - I just know it IS changing, and I personally dont want to add to that problem in ANY degree. A man made global warming hoax is not a get out of jail free card.


Here is the problem though
To ignore how its happening means we can't reverse, or even slow it down. As much of an annoyance as it is, we need to figure out quite clearly what is natural, what is not, and where we go from here.

Like saying if we keep stabbing someone, lets patch the persons stab wounds up so he stops bleeding...but we continue to stab the person even though we are patching the holes.
No, we need to do both patch the holes, and stop stabbing the person, else its pointless.

Thats the current situation...not even
We are discussing patching the holes up..and bickering about if thats a good move.
In the meantime, as we bicker, we are stabbing the earth, and also in a debate about if stabbing is making the blood flow from the wounds.
Its all a bit insane if you think about it.

Bad example is bad example...sure, but it is a general visual about how we need to address both the cause and effect, not just the effect. Even if its found out man has absolutely nothing to do with the current destabilization, we still need to do something to stabilize it..this is what we have brains for..this is the starting of a type 1 civilization (planetary control of the environment). But first things first...we need good, solid, transparent science to show the cause...be it man, sun, a mix, etc. I thought the science was in, but it seems some still disagree with the results. I also know the major corporate money being poured into the community to muddy the waters and distract people from the science in favor of short term gains...so it may be difficult to get good science out of any testing when someone has a clear agenda to blind it from the people..but it can be done if the people (not the corporation type people, but actual people) stop being tools and demand clarity on the matter from unbias sources..aka, just the data

For now, it is science against corporate politicians. and if that is the game, I stand with the scientists and am secure when opposing some billionaires and their lackys..but I am saddened that their children (I have none) will live in a world based on their blinded ideals overruling their reason.



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 02:14 PM
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So now we are going to try and fix the planet because some people think its natural cycles are broken ? Seems like normal human behavior to me.



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 02:16 PM
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Originally posted by R3KR
So now we are going to try and fix the planet because some people think its natural cycles are broken ? Seems like normal human behavior to me.


Extinction is a natural cycle
Are you in favor of that cycle also, or will you be trying to save your arse by any means necessary?



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