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reply posted on 29-1-2012 @ 10:02 PM by TiredofControlFreaks

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chrismicha77

So why did the compare the temperatures of 2011 to only the past 125 years? Why not to a million years? Or 50 million? You just gotta admit that 125 years over the life of this planet is a pretty meaningless slice of time to evaluate global climate

Tired of Control Freaks

reply posted on 29-1-2012 @ 10:13 PM by stillwind

Originally posted by ArMaP
reply to post by TrueAmerican

So, does that mean that the glaciers have been growing since 1997 instead of disappearing and nobody noticed?

The idea that "glaciers" are melting is the height of ignorance. Some are melting, and some are growing. BTW, it has always been noted that glaciers, over all have been receding for the last 10,000 years. Nothing new there. So, if you want to stop ignorance, then start with yourself.

reply posted on 29-1-2012 @ 10:18 PM by tooo many pills

Why are the ice caps still melting then?

All that carbon spewed into the atmosphere everyday doesn't just go away...

reply to post by stillwind

The idea that "glaciers" are melting is the height of ignorance. Some are melting, and some are growing. BTW, it has always been noted that glaciers, over all have been receding for the last 10,000 years. Nothing new there. So, if you want to stop ignorance, then start with yourself.

Which glaciers are growing? Yes, we were in an Ice Age 10,000-12,000 years ago. What if that natural process of the Earth cooling and then heating was interrupted by our exhaustion of greenhouse gases? We don't really know as we have been measuring global temperatures for far less than 100 years.

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reply posted on 29-1-2012 @ 10:27 PM by FugitiveSoul

I don't see how any of this is good news. Through recent studies it's been discovered that global warming almost always precedes an Ice Age. The glaciers are still melting, because though the warming has leveled off, the Earth is still way too warm to maintain them. Soon enough the fresh water being introduced into the oceans is going to disrupt the flow of the gulf stream. How long? Who knows? But we now know an ice age takes a decade or less to begin. Much quicker than we originally thought. When the glaciers begin to grow again, we may be seeing the beginning of some difficult times.

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The harsh reality is, we've been living in a lottery period, since the natural state of the world is what is considered an "ice age." We're in what is known as a warm period, which usually last for 10,000 - 20,000 years, compared to ice ages, which last for 80,000 - 90,000 years.

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reply posted on 29-1-2012 @ 10:30 PM by badconduct

Originally posted by ArMaP
reply to post by TrueAmerican

So, does that mean that the glaciers have been growing since 1997 instead of disappearing and nobody noticed?

Last week, it was +2 here. Obviously, it's from the Solar flare. No global warming, du'h.

This week; it's +2 again. I can't blame the Solar Flare... but I'd hate to suggest that the climate change is obvious.

www.theweathernetwork.com...

reply posted on 29-1-2012 @ 10:37 PM by NISMOALTI

ah i get it it ended 15 years ago but we are just feeling the effects of the warmer weather now. good deal! now im going to go back out side in my shorts in winter time.

reply posted on 29-1-2012 @ 10:50 PM by stillwind

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reply posted on 29-1-2012 @ 11:16 PM by SiliconJon

So all that "covert" SRM geohacking introduced extra toxicities into our air, water, food, and land also now looks to have worked against our favor, as a warmed climate would have been preferred? LOL, ok, I know, the SRM live field "simulations" probably didn't actually account for the last 1-2 decades of anti-CO2-warming...

Well, it's a good thing all the records of those "experiments" are now uber-secret for national security purposes.

www.wired.com...

reply posted on 29-1-2012 @ 11:21 PM by tooo many pills

reply to post by stillwind

So, the greenhouse gases we emit into the atmosphere do nothing to the Earth is what you're saying? We aren't arguing for Al Gore's global warming ideals, carbon tax, and whatever else he portrayed...

We are saying that pollution in the form of carbon dioxide, natural gas / methane absorbs and traps sunlight in the atmosphere. It is called the "greenhouse effect."

The greenhouse effect is a process by which thermal radiation from a planetary surface is absorbed by atmospheric greenhouse gases, and is re-radiated in all directions. Since part of this re-radiation is back towards the surface, energy is transferred to the surface and the lower atmosphere. As a result, the average surface temperature is higher than it would be if direct heating by solar radiation were the only warming mechanism.

Solar radiation at the high frequencies of visible light passes through the atmosphere to warm the planetary surface, which then emits this energy at the lower frequencies of infrared thermal radiation. Infrared radiation is absorbed by greenhouse gases, which in turn re-radiate much of the energy to the surface and lower atmosphere. The mechanism is named after the effect of solar radiation passing through glass and warming a greenhouse, but the way it retains heat is fundamentally different as a greenhouse works by reducing airflow, isolating the warm air inside the structure so that heat is not lost by convection.

The existence of the greenhouse effect was argued for by Joseph Fourier in 1824. The argument and the evidence was further strengthened by Claude Pouillet in 1827 and 1838, and definitively proved experimentally by John Tyndall in 1859, and more fully quantified by Svante Arrhenius in 1896.

en.wikipedia.org...

Maybe, we should be entering a phase of global cooling / mini ice age right now, but since we pollute the Earth so much it has begun to change the natural climate of the Earth. The fact is nobody really knows what will happen to the global climate if we keep polluting the way we are, but what we do know is that greenhouse gases absorb and trap the heat from the Sun. This is changing the Earth. This is man-made. This is not in the natural process of the Earth's climate. You can believe whatever you want and hope the Earth can fix itself, or you can learn some chemistry and physics.

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reply posted on 29-1-2012 @ 11:49 PM by LoneGunMan

reply to post by TrueAmerican

Your link was to a not so reputability site The Daily Mail, his link went to NASA.

Me thinks big corporations around the world would like to keep on keeping on with as much pollution and profits as possible and have created this debate in the first place.

It diverts the argument away from pollution which is fact; into something debatable. Don't fall for it.

reply posted on 30-1-2012 @ 12:07 AM by CranialSponge

The big joke of the global warming religion is their asinine attempt to average out global temperatures like as if it where a real friggin' science of some kind.

Parts of the globe are warming, parts of the globe are cooling, and parts of the globe haven't changed a damn bit. But what's even more hilarious is the fact that these same areas a couple of years later, are different yet again.

The simple fact is that the planet is not a constant, it never has been. Nor has it ever been the same from one end of the globe to the other. Therefore, you absolutely cannot predict "average global anything" in 50 years down the road, nevermind 10 years down the road.

Maybe if these pseudoscientists paid attention to the hydrological cycles, particularly oceanic oscillations, alongside solar variables (cosmic rays, neutrinos, geomagnetics, etc) instead of playing their stupid "what if" scenario computer games, they might actually learn a thing or two.

You know... good old fashioned real-world observational science based on good old fashioned physics?

I guess that's too much to ask nowadays.

Apparently all one needs to do is yank out a couple pieces of ice from one area of the globe and slam the data into a computer in order to get a bird's eyeview of what the entire globe was for historical temperature and CO2 concentrations.

Funny thing is... science is just now learning that CO2 is not evenly distributed around globe but instead is variable and clumped... much like how temperatures aren't even either.

[insert slap forehead here]

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reply posted on 30-1-2012 @ 12:08 AM by Ghost375

Don't be a moron....
global warming is real.

Burying your head in the sand isn't going to make it go away.
Whatever, ignore it if you can...ignorance is bliss. But come summertime...

reply posted on 30-1-2012 @ 12:17 AM by lonewolf19792000

reply to post by TrueAmerican

No warming in 15 years? It's the friggen end of January and going into February and it's in the 60's and 70's here in arkansas. There are trees budding in January. You know something is wrong when even nature is being fooled by the weather and the earth in general! We should be getting ice and sleet storms and instead, we can go play outside in t-shirts and shorts. Right, try and tell me thats natural.

reply posted on 30-1-2012 @ 12:19 AM by JiggyPotamus

OMG people. Just because it is a hot year does not mean it has anything whatsoever to do with global warming. The temperatures fluctuate every year, and this is normal. What the OP is saying is that the OVERALL trend toward warming, which you could I suppose think of as a type of average value, ended in 1997.

That doesn't mean that it has to be cold now, or must be hot. There are still other factors that come into play when determining temperatures that have nothing to do with the ozone layer and the greenhouse effect. Hopefully, and I know this is asking for a lot, but hopefully we can convince some of the skeptics that I know exist on the forum.

You have lost, global warming is not a real threat because it is not real at all, therefore we WILL taunt you some more, just for the satisfaction, but we wholeheartedly invite you to come over and join our side...Where it's COOL, lol, no pun intended.

reply posted on 30-1-2012 @ 12:23 AM by ShamilAbdullah

Heh, so silly to see people argue over this. Hey look at the positive side , at least it made people aware

and from that awareness. Maybe we can see positive change to this planet . Weather its true or not

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reply posted on 30-1-2012 @ 12:44 AM by FugitiveSoul

Originally posted by ShamilAbdullah
Heh, so silly to see people argue over this. Hey look at the positive side , at least it made people aware and from that awareness. Maybe we can see positive change to this planet . Weather its true or not

I see what you did there.

reply posted on 30-1-2012 @ 12:48 AM by eagleeye2

That is so funny, Jeremy Clarkson was right.
and George Bush said the truth at least once by saying co2 is good, well at least for canada and the uk.

About the ice cap movement, recently a thread was explaining how magnetic osciliation was affecting the icecap.
And anyway, anybody that spend 10 minutes of his time trying to understand how work the Thermohaline circulation will soon understand that it was 10 min. well spent.

reply posted on 30-1-2012 @ 12:53 AM by daaskapital

Too bad Australia is still putting through a Carbon Tax to combat Global Warming

reply posted on 30-1-2012 @ 12:56 AM by bekod

reply to post by TrueAmerican

the field's burn from the sun , why no rain nor clouds, the coast line recedes, why? the ice is melting, but it is not getting hotter there is no man made temp change , yet concrete and steel,CO2 gas on the rise, is the sun heating up or is man doing to man?

reply posted on 30-1-2012 @ 01:11 AM by badconduct

Originally posted by eagleeye2
That is so funny, Jeremy Clarkson was right.
and George Bush said the truth at least once by saying co2 is good, well at least for canada and the uk.

About the ice cap movement, recently a thread was explaining how magnetic osciliation was affecting the icecap.
And anyway, anybody that spend 10 minutes of his time trying to understand how work the Thermohaline circulation will soon understand that it was 10 min. well spent.

I hate to say I disagree, but these freezing rain storms are treacherous. The roads are sheet ice every morning when it starts raining in January. And this is Canada, average temp here should be between -7 and - 15 C from what I remember.