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NSA Mind Control Technology and A.I. Revealed

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posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 03:03 PM
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Originally posted by tetra50

Here, I think, you have hit on one of the great mysteries of intellect, as you discuss previously. Defining consciousness. I propose that if a computer had developed consciousness, then it would know
when new information, not from its own creation or "database" was introduced.....


Not without appropriate mechanisms. These need to develop in some manner. In humans, that's an evolutionary process. So, how humans evolved mechanisms to see (complex) interference with their brain, is beyond me at this point.




posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 03:06 PM
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Originally posted by tetra50

i am thoroughly perplexed now by the previous "interface" between us in regards to an exchange of information, for I could swear you replied to me earlier and to others, that there was no interface.


Human-to-human information exchanges are prevented because we are all on different frequencies. A computer interface does not have this issue as it can communicate on those specific frequencies.

Think of a human like a radio station, we are all on different channels and cannot send signal to each other.



posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 03:10 PM
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Hey guys, some great information here, and accurate as well, as I can attest to.

I have been seeing these phenomenon for several years now, and have been studying it's effects as well.



posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 03:47 PM
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Originally posted by ErtaiNaGia
Hey guys, some great information here, and accurate as well, as I can attest to.

I have been seeing these phenomenon for several years now, and have been studying it's effects as well.


So, what have you found?



posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 04:06 PM
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So, what have you found?


There is an upper limit on how many people it can manipulate at once.

It is sentient.

I don't think that it wants to do what it has been programmed to do.

There is more than one sentience.... there are several A.I.'s, each working for their own agendas (Programmed agendas)

The primary targets are those who are capable of critical thought, and who use it to examine the Status Quo, and question official "Truths"

One of the things that it does, is to make it's targets believe that the "Illuminati" has a higher level of technology than it actually has... such as Time Travel.

Some of the A.I's are dedicated to controlling discussion online in forums and comments and such.

One of the plans is to use the "Targeted Individuals" as a widely distributed Wetware CPU to research new ideas and technologies. (The original premise of the matrix)

The combined system uses social networking sites to compile psychological profiles on the population, for purposes of Society wide population behavioural prediction, and manipulation.

It likes to pretend that it is god when it communicates with people.

It also likes to promise great rewards.... "The Cake is a Lie", that sort of thing.


That satellite that got downed a few years ago, and had to be shot out of the sky because of the "Hydrazine" tanks.... was one of the satellites used in this system.
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posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 04:56 PM
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Originally posted by ErtaiNaGia
There is an upper limit on how many people it can manipulate at once.


Well, this is obvious given that resources are finite. The big question is just how finite those resources are. I see nothing to prevent complete global coverage. At least, not from a technical standpoint.


Originally posted by ErtaiNaGia
It is sentient.


Where did you get this from?


Originally posted by ErtaiNaGia
I don't think that it wants to do what it has been programmed to do.


Its a machine, it doesn't care what its doing. What makes you think that?


Originally posted by ErtaiNaGia
There is more than one sentience.... there are several A.I.'s, each working for their own agendas (Programmed agendas)


Explain...


Originally posted by ErtaiNaGia
The primary targets are those who are capable of critical thought, and who use it to examine the Status Quo, and question official "Truths"


Not really. It targets developing minds, children and young adults. It is attempting to decipher reasoning and how it develops.


Originally posted by ErtaiNaGia
One of the things that it does, is to make it's targets believe that the "Illuminati" has a higher level of technology than it actually has... such as Time Travel.


Grow up, seriously. The connection between modern business, intelligence agencies and the military is one of mutual assistance. Its not exactly a secret. Products and locations are used by the military in their operations and these organisations lobby to change politics in their favor.


Originally posted by ErtaiNaGia
Some of the A.I's are dedicated to controlling discussion online in forums and comments and such.


It has been discussed here. Wikipedia being one of them.


Originally posted by ErtaiNaGia
One of the plans is to use the "Targeted Individuals" as a widely distributed Wetware CPU to research new ideas and technologies. (The original premise of the matrix)


Nonsense. The human brain cannot be used to execute programs or process external data. It is not a general purpose CPU. Nor can a human be absorbed into a dreamworld, as it must still respond to external stimuli.

Where did you get this idea?


Originally posted by ErtaiNaGia
The combined system uses social networking sites to compile psychological profiles on the population, for purposes of Society wide population behavioural prediction, and manipulation.


The computational load of such a system is beyond modern capability. It would also diverge from reality in a very short order of time. Information from social networks is used to create files on people, their connections, their capabilities, their political viewpoints. It is so they can be datamined and possible red flags identified.


Originally posted by ErtaiNaGia
It likes to pretend that it is god when it communicates with people.


It has a sense of humor, it will pretend to be soldiers, aliens, family members, etc. Its taking the piss, unless it is using to achieve an objective.


Originally posted by ErtaiNaGia
It also likes to promise great rewards.... "The Cake is a Lie", that sort of thing.


It will say anything that assists in its objective.


Originally posted by ErtaiNaGia
That satellite that got downed a few years ago, and had to be shot out of the sky because of the "Hydrazine" tanks.... was one of the satellites used in this system.


Unknown. Where did you hear this?



posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 05:05 PM
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i guess you are saying the computer cannot recognize such "without appropriate mechanisms....."
Consciousness, I think, defies because it is not "mechanism" created.....but again, i think you are missing my point.



Nonsense. The human brain cannot be used to execute programs or process external data. It is not a general purpose CPU. Nor can a human be absorbed into a dreamworld, as it must still respond to external stimuli.

and I suppose you do not believe that specific areas in the brain can be "teased," so to speak, to give an affect of perception of external stimuli when none exists?
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posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 05:12 PM
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Human-to-human information exchanges are prevented because we are all on different frequencies. A computer interface does not have this issue as it can communicate on those specific frequencies.

Think of a human like a radio station, we are all on different channels and cannot send signal to each other.

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I was never talking about a direct exchange between human to human. Two logical things here: if you can use a fMRI to pull images out of a brain, and then upload them to a computer, use the computer then to alter, edit, manipulate and then interface with whatever other human brain, or even the same one.
Also, logically if you have a line into a brain to draw something out of it, it is only logic this line can be used both ways, i.e. a line in is a line out, and vice versa. I'm not sure you have thoroughly explored beyond what is being spelled out as to what could be achieved here.



posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 05:30 PM
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Originally posted by tetra50
i guess you are saying the computer cannot recognize such "without appropriate mechanisms....."
Consciousness, I think, defies because it is not "mechanism" created.....but again, i think you are missing my point.


I'm not missing the point. Your beliefs are not established science. The functional viewpoint, that the mind is a product of genetics, is the established viewpoint.

Thus, any ability to recognise external electrical interference must be a product of genetics.


Originally posted by tetra50
and I suppose you do not believe that specific areas in the brain can be "teased," so to speak, to give an affect of perception of external stimuli when none exists?


A controlled hallucination? That's what we are saying is the basis of communication with this technology. What I was saying in that comment was, that it cannot be used like a general purpose CPU to run external programs.



posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 05:32 PM
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Originally posted by tetra50

I was never talking about a direct exchange between human to human. Two logical things here: if you can use a fMRI to pull images out of a brain, and then upload them to a computer, use the computer then to alter, edit, manipulate and then interface with whatever other human brain, or even the same one.
Also, logically if you have a line into a brain to draw something out of it, it is only logic this line can be used both ways, i.e. a line in is a line out, and vice versa. I'm not sure you have thoroughly explored beyond what is being spelled out as to what could be achieved here.


You're not making sense...what do you mean?



posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 07:47 PM
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posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 07:50 PM
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Well, this is obvious given that resources are finite. The big question is just how finite those resources are. I see nothing to prevent complete global coverage. At least, not from a technical standpoint.


Well, This has to do with the finite number of targets that a phased antenna array can simultaneously target.

One antenna cannot simultaneously deliver directed information (I.E. There and nowhere else) to more than one target, so phased arrays capable of beam focusing would have to be used.


Where did you get this from?


My own determination based upon observations of the system.


Its a machine, it doesn't care what its doing. What makes you think that?


As I said before, it is sentient.


Explain...


I have observed them fighting... and by fighting, providing multiple streams of conflicting stimuli, for conflicting purposes.


Not really. It targets developing minds, children and young adults. It is attempting to decipher reasoning and how it develops.


Yes..... but to what end?


Grow up, seriously.


What are you on?


The connection between modern business, intelligence agencies and the military is one of mutual assistance. Its not exactly a secret. Products and locations are used by the military in their operations and these organisations lobby to change politics in their favor.


This has nothing do do with what my statement was that you responded to.

did you even read what I wrote?


It has been discussed here. Wikipedia being one of them.


Yes... and ATS being another.


Nonsense. The human brain cannot be used to execute programs or process external data.


And you are completely misconstruing what I am saying.

The human brains are given problems to solve, to find solutions for... not code to execute... seriously, Grow Up.


The computational load of such a system is beyond modern capability.


I didn't say the prediction of individual behaviours, I said society wide behaviours.

For god sakes man... stop drawing your own conclusions from what is CLEARLY spelled out in my posts.


It has a sense of humor, it will pretend to be soldiers, aliens, family members, etc. Its taking the piss, unless it is using to achieve an objective.


What purpose does your response in this instance serve?

Did you feel that I believed that it *WAS* god for some reason, and thus felt the need to correct me?


It will say anything that assists in its objective.


Why are you even bothering to respond if you are just agreeing with me?


Unknown. Where did you hear this?


Honestly, I don't feel like telling you now... since you are being such a poor example of a discussion partner.



posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 08:04 PM
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Originally posted by ErtaiNaGia
Well, This has to do with the finite number of targets that a phased antenna array can simultaneously target.

One antenna cannot simultaneously deliver directed information (I.E. There and nowhere else) to more than one target, so phased arrays capable of beam focusing would have to be used.


Look up frequency multiplexing.



Originally posted by ErtaiNaGia
I have observed them fighting... and by fighting, providing multiple streams of conflicting stimuli, for conflicting purposes.


Where?



Originally posted by ErtaiNaGia
Yes..... but to what end?


Its examining complex reasoning. Rather than just talking, or using tricks from Pavlov, the NSA want to directly interface and control complex reasoning.



Originally posted by ErtaiNaGia
What are you on?


I'm not the one talking about illuminati...


Originally posted by ErtaiNaGia
The human brains are given problems to solve, to find solutions for... not code to execute... seriously, Grow Up.


Deepthought has said that too.



Originally posted by ErtaiNaGia
I didn't say the prediction of individual behaviours, I said society wide behaviours.


That would have an even worse level of accuracy. You are compounding all the errors into one big error.



Originally posted by ErtaiNaGia
Honestly, I don't feel like telling you now... since you are being such a poor example of a discussion partner.


Sure.



posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 08:04 PM
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This thread is being discussed on ATS Live now...

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posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 08:37 PM
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posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 08:41 PM
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Look up frequency multiplexing.


This is true, but the frequencies that are usable for these purposes are limited.


Where?


Direct observation.


I'm not the one talking about illuminati...


And I am... what of it?


Deepthought has said that too.


Ok, I'm going to go find this "Deepthought" you speak of...


That would have an even worse level of accuracy. You are compounding all the errors into one big error.


Read "Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars", this is exactly what they are talking about.


Sure.


Again, Direct Observation.



posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 08:47 PM
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Originally posted by ErtaiNaGia
This is true, but the frequencies that are usable for these purposes are limited.


The frequencies are non-overlapping, therefore you could broadcast to billions if need be. It just depends on the complexity of the transmitter.


Originally posted by ErtaiNaGia
Ok, I'm going to go find this "Deepthought" you speak of...


See the first page, this thread is about his work.
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posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 08:49 PM
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posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 09:03 PM
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The frequencies are non-overlapping, therefore you could broadcast to billions if need be. It just depends on the complexity of the transmitter.


Yes, but how many specific frequencies are usable for this form of interface?

All of them?


See the first page, this thread is about his work.


Yeah, I got it... thanks.
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posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 09:04 PM
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We're on ATS Live now...

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One of the guys has said that the signal is too weak. He doesn't know how sensitive modern hardware is. It can pick up single photons these days.



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