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reply posted on 29-1-2012 @ 01:41 PM by itsthetooth

reply to post by artistpoet

I do agree mostly with what you are saying.
Here is an interesting statistic I read - Dont hold me to it though as it may not be truly accurate but does say something true about animal rearing.
It takes 10 x more land to rear animals for food consumption than if that land were used for crops.
Also - In way we have artificially increased the numbers of animals bred for consumption massively

I think I heard that one years ago. There is some math to it but it sound correct.

reply posted on 29-1-2012 @ 01:44 PM by artistpoet

Originally posted by itsthetooth
reply to post by brokedown

What have you been smoking all night ?

There are many examples of omnivores on this planet.

Bears, Chimpanzees, Baboons, Dogs, Ravens the list is endless.

So, I take it, from your OP that these animals are not from Earth as well ?

Thats a very good point. We have to remember that there were a lot of things brought to earth that also don't belong here. I'm not sure on the ones you mentioned. It's a tuff call. I know more about humans than the animals. Aside, some of them could just have that type of diet. So it may not be an obvious answer. I would look for target foods.

"Lots of things brought to Earth that also don't belong here". Yes animals are alien and have souls and if we payed attention could teach us a lot.

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reply posted on 29-1-2012 @ 01:46 PM by itsthetooth

reply to post by manna2

Those are the first and obvious, glaring problems with your theory.
You simply lack knowledge and understanding to draw reasonable and working hypothesis to prove your theory so you are taking stabs in the dark due to your own ignorance.
But it does show you have a good imagination with the things you work from, which is very limited when it comes to health and basic nutrition facts.

Well your correct and the obvious points as well, but you failed to realize why it all happened to being with. Your trying to say that we were ok before it was commercial driven, I'm saying we were better off but still not meeting the needs.
It's not possible to meet those requirements and farm your own. You can't grow the diverse needs to meet those demands.

So your comments leaves me asking do you believe we were never suppose to ship food, or try to live in multiple places at the same time?

reply posted on 29-1-2012 @ 03:37 PM by itsthetooth

reply to post by havok

I think its important to note that mother is the necessity of invention. When we do things like make a new processed food product, it could be because we feel like something is missing in our intended diet.

If our evolution of food has left you believing it was purly a profit thing, I think your wong. Our need to adapt stems from being dumped on the wrong planet. Granted we might have become calused to the fact that all we do is evolve, while those changes stem from our first placment here.

In your earlier reply it sounded as though you believe that we had a perfect diet at one time, is that correct?

reply posted on 29-1-2012 @ 06:44 PM by havok

Originally posted by itsthetooth
If that were true, our processed food would cost less and the natural food would cost more.
You can still sell natural food. Either way, its not our food.

Actually, processed food is cheaper and natural, organic food is more expensive.
A trip to your local grocery store will prove that.
One box of Nutty Bars, $1.99....3 Green Peppers, $2.99.

Of course growing food is the cheapest, but we are not talking about that.

I have allready proven on another channel that those sources don't exisit like you might think. We could eat sardines, but anything lower than that and your not getting the RDA. So are you saying we were suppose to live on a boat, or near a store that sells sardines?

Most certainly not, dear friend, although you can if you want to.
I am saying for a fact that calcium can be found in many other foods.
Like: Beans, Vegetables, Oranges, some Breads...etc..Found HERE
Milk has more per serving, but you can definitely get it elsewhere.

Originally posted by itsthetooth
reply to post by havok

I think its important to note that mother is the necessity of invention. When we do things like make a new processed food product, it could be because we feel like something is missing in our intended diet.

If our evolution of food has left you believing it was purly a profit thing, I think your wong. Our need to adapt stems from being dumped on the wrong planet. Granted we might have become calused to the fact that all we do is evolve, while those changes stem from our first placment here.

In your earlier reply it sounded as though you believe that we had a perfect diet at one time, is that correct?

I don't believe we had a perfect diet at all.
The diet was not processed or stripped of it's nutrients by modern techniques like todays diet.
It was more basic, wholesome, and earthly, yes...but not perfect.
I don't believe there is such a thing as a perfect diet.

But I can say that eating locally and naturally grown fruits, vegetables and meats are close.
Not processed junk foods and fast foods, rich with fats, salts and sugars.
Which I don't believe were a beneficial part of our diet, ever.

reply posted on 29-1-2012 @ 06:56 PM by itsthetooth

reply to post by havok

I don't believe we had a perfect diet at all.
The diet was not processed or stripped of it's nutrients by modern techniques like todays diet.
It was more basic, wholesome, and earthly, yes...but not perfect.
I don't believe there is such a thing as a perfect diet.

But I can say that eating locally and naturally grown fruits, vegetables and meats are close.
Not processed junk foods and fast foods, rich with fats, salts and sugars.
Which I don't believe were a beneficial part of our diet, ever.

Well I agree, there probably never was a perfect diet, at least here on earth. It's hard to argue why we made the changes we did. I'm sure greed played at least a small part of it.

reply posted on 30-1-2012 @ 04:47 PM by manna2

Originally posted by itsthetooth
reply to post by manna2

Those are the first and obvious, glaring problems with your theory.
You simply lack knowledge and understanding to draw reasonable and working hypothesis to prove your theory so you are taking stabs in the dark due to your own ignorance.
But it does show you have a good imagination with the things you work from, which is very limited when it comes to health and basic nutrition facts.
Well your correct and the obvious points as well, but you failed to realize why it all happened to being with. Your trying to say that we were ok before it was commercial driven, I'm saying we were better off but still not meeting the needs.
It's not possible to meet those requirements and farm your own. You can't grow the diverse needs to meet those demands.

So your comments leaves me asking do you believe we were never suppose to ship food, or try to live in multiple places at the same time?

I hear ya. I am on a different wave length is all. I am a forced-to-retire-carpenter-due-to-nutcase-theft-through-bubble-economics that has become a farmer (ostrich). The healthiest diets throughout history where cultures thrive in health have always been high in protein derived from animals and tiny seeds.
My opinion the absolute best food for human consumption is hemp seeds and oil and ostrich meat and eggs. Both are nearly perfect and whole foods.
Hemp alone can sustain life having all the aminos and a perfect balance of omegas.
What is interesting about the ostrich is it's unbelievable proliferation rates.
When a husbandman steps in we can far outproduce what nature can do.
If a herd can grow off 100 birds from eggs a good husbandman can get all eggs fertile and have a very high hatch and survival getting better than 1000 to grow off.
Thats 900 birds that would have never lived without human intervention.
Add to that ostrich has the best feed to meat ratio of any livestock in the world.
Cattle is somewhere around 15 lb's of feed to get 1 lb of red meat.
Ostrich can be done around 2 lb's to 1 lb of red meat. It is considered to be the only environmently friendly farm animal in the world. So, because of human intervention in pursuit of good food, thousands, millions and billions animals live when they would have never existed. My opinion is that I have an obligation to treat them well, if not baby and cater to them their entire existance if I intend to use them for my food and others food.
Temple Grandin said it best when discussing the slaughter practices she dedicated herself to changing to be more humane and beneficial to both the animal (cattle in her case) and humans. "Nature is cruel, but we don't have to be" Without me, these beautiful creatures would have never existed, but with me they have the best life an ostrich could have as I admire them and love them and treat them better than I treat myself. And thousands survive due to my care when nature would have had them destroyed due to lack of care and the less than optimal conditions I provide.

If you want a real conspiracy, look into why natures most perfect food and best natural medicine is kept so far from human consumption, i.e. hemp. It sustained some dutch communities in the great famine for 2 years on 2 tablespoons of hemp oil a day per person.
And hemp is the biggest kill for a high there is as the canibinoids counter the effects of thc.
Hemp is known as the anti-marijuana because it counters the effects of thc almost completely.
If you are looking for the perfect food, I would point you to hemp. And you never have to rotate the crop and it refurbishes the soil instead of depleting it. It grows fast and tall in almost every climate producing an abundance of seeds in just a few months. And the hemp fibers are stronger and softer than cotton and last like 6 times longer AND FROM 1 ACRE OF HEMP YOU CAN PRODUCE 100 gallons of methane a month, which is a thousand times cleaner than ethanol.

reply posted on 30-1-2012 @ 06:52 PM by itsthetooth

reply to post by manna2

Ya it sounds like it got a bad rap, thats to bad.

I'm anti drug myself so I can see where some people might not understand that Hemp is a different story.
I have had hemp necklaces, and have seen an isle here in a local grocery store of Hemp food. I just laugh not knowing it's probably good for you. There is no way to deny we are obviously victims of our own stupidity sometimes. It sounds like they need to open there eyes.

On the Osterich meat, well I have never had it and the only thing that comes to mind is yewww. It reminds me of one time when I was talking to someone in Australia, talking about how its possible to eat Rue. I guess its just all meat either way you look at it. I love venician, Moose, beef, and pork. I have eaten menudo many times, and probably have a few unwanted meat parasites. I lost my gall bladder a few years ago so things have changed.

The only non animal food that has saturated fat is the avocado. So it was something I was thinking of when I did my research on this whole deal. The fact that we have a gall bladder tells us that we are equipped to process small amounts of oil. It's just liquid salt is all it is. It causes an effect a lot like when you put Dawn dish soap on oil. Breaks it up. Anyhow, all meat has oil, and beef and pork are probably the worst. Moose is probably the best, when I last had it, I was told it had to be mixed with other meat as it was just to lean.

Because I no longer have a Gall Bladder, when I want to eat ground beef, I have to rinse it in water to remove the oil, it sucks.

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