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Occupy: Sorry, but you really are dupes

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posted on Jan, 29 2012 @ 03:50 AM
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Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
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What basis are you using to suggest they are hired or somehow imported? Are you in Occupy or have you been watchng this closely for the last few months?? I'm having a tough time understanding how some people breaking into City Hall and trashing some of it would be hard for anyone to imagine an Occupy Oakland member doing, particularly given the history between the Occupy camp and the Mayor herself.


No, I'm not in Occupy; and I wouldn't go near one of their operations with a barge pole either, for the record. I actually don't have any illusions about who or what they are, contrary to how I might have initially sounded.

I do, however, have fairly regular communication with two people who are highly active within the movement; one of whom is here in Australia. He showed a slide show of the Zucotti camp one night a few weeks ago in the very town I'm in; and has provided ample evidence of how positive a large percentage of the individuals associated with Occupy have been.

The bottom line, one way or the other, is that as far as I'm concerned, Occupy really are dupes. They are essentially an outer manifestation of the cabal's own internecine warfare. You've got one faction (soome have said Soros, but it could be someone else) bankrolling and promoting the whole thing, and then you've got other people who plant provocateurs and vandals within the movement, in order to allow the police to feel justified in beating them up.

That isn't to say that the movement can't do some genuine good; it can, and I think it probably has already. Said good, however, mainly comes from being a focal point for the distribution of information between parties who are interested, and able to do something with it. I will admit that I am distressed to see the degree that the Socialist Alliance and other such groups have tried to lead Occupy, simply because I consider the SA and other groups like them, to likewise be tar pits for the elite.

That, however, is the point. It's what the cabal do. They set up ostensibly socialist or anarchist straw "organisations," in order to get well-intentioned but naive people involved, and to essentially give them things to do which render them ineffectual and waste their time. Occupy is but the latest manifestation of said tactic, and the Left keep falling for it; mainly because the majority of them are far more motivated by raw emotion than logic.

It's worth knowing that pretty much the whole of Leftist ideology, more or less in general, is a strawman constructed by the elite. That was the entire reason why I didn't ultimately get sucked in by Left anarchism; I'd already read the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion.

The cabal give you two carefully constructed choices, both of which ultimately serve their interests; just in different ways. If you want to go the right wing or Capitalist path, you get fed people like Friedman or Rand on the negative end, or von Mises more positively. If you want to go the left path, you get Marx and all of his BS; and it is BS, because most don't realise that Marx himself was an internationalist and a centralised federalist, which is exactly what the cabal want. Uncle Joe ending up running Russia was not contrary to what Marx wanted; the individual Soviets got lied to, and if you believe otherwise, you have been as well.

You get Trotsky, who advocated overthrowing the existing society completely, which is what the elite have always wanted; they love revolutions, and every time one has happened, the people ultimately end up in a worse situation than they were in before they revolted in the first place.

You get Chomsky, who spends his time exposing all the evil crap that the right engage in, and makes you feel good when you read him, because you think you're in the know, and he's shown you the light about the depravity of Capitalism. Sure, an education is great, but have you ever noticed that at the end of the day, the corporate world aren't really that threatened by Noam's existence at all?

You also get people like Kropotkin, who may well have preached the proverbial "peace, love, and mung beans," message, but with whom it really doesn't matter at all; because the cabal are psychopaths, and they will never let you have that. Friedman is a much closer picture of what they are really like, but he still wasn't the full extent of it.

Contrary to how this might sound, it doesn't mean I advocate defeatism or doing nothing; but the single biggest favour that people like Occupy could do for themselves, is to start realising that there is not a single idea inside their heads, that the Eye did not put there.




posted on Jan, 29 2012 @ 03:56 AM
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Yeah why even bother.

Nothing will change.



posted on Jan, 29 2012 @ 03:59 AM
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Originally posted by BeforeTheHangmansNoose
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Yeah why even bother.

Nothing will change.


I didn't say that, although I knew someone would draw that conclusion.

Instead of joining Occupy, though, I got a Permaculture Design Certificate. That in my own mind has been a much more positive response; we can spend time demanding that the corporations or government change their evil ways themselves, or we can simply focus on building the scenario we want instead, as though they didn't exist at all.



posted on Jan, 29 2012 @ 04:06 AM
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TextContrary to how this might sound, it doesn't mean I advocate defeatism or doing nothing; but the single biggest favour that people like Occupy could do for themselves, is to start realising that there is not a single idea inside their heads, that the Eye did not put there.


Really? You sound like a defeatist to me. You also seem to have a superiority complex. You read a little and that gives you the right to be condescending to every protester? You need to start realising that you are indeed a defeatist.



posted on Jan, 29 2012 @ 04:08 AM
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Originally posted by petrus4

Originally posted by BeforeTheHangmansNoose
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Yeah why even bother.

Nothing will change.


I didn't say that, although I knew someone would draw that conclusion.

Instead of joining Occupy, though, I got a Permaculture Design Certificate. That in my own mind has been a much more positive response; we can spend time demanding that the corporations or government change their evil ways themselves, or we can simply focus on building the scenario we want instead, as though they didn't exist at all.


If you are awake and spreading information about the gaping sh*thole that is our society, then you are effectively apart of the occupy movement whether you want to be or not, you are fighting the same cause.



posted on Jan, 29 2012 @ 12:29 PM
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Originally posted by petrus4

Originally posted by BeforeTheHangmansNoose
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Yeah why even bother.

Nothing will change.


I didn't say that, although I knew someone would draw that conclusion.

Instead of joining Occupy, though, I got a Permaculture Design Certificate. That in my own mind has been a much more positive response; we can spend time demanding that the corporations or government change their evil ways themselves, or we can simply focus on building the scenario we want instead, as though they didn't exist at all.


At first I was going to comment on how getting a silly certificate has nothing to do with changing the "system"...then your last sentence hit me. Is it really that simple? Just set up our own society and ignore them? I am visualizing it...it's like the bully who is looking for a reaction, when you give him the reaction, he keeps bullying you, but when you ignore him, he tends to go find a new victim.

I wonder if we could get enough like-minded people together to pool our resources and buy an island? I don't have the organizational skills to even begin to put something together.

One problem that occurs to me is that I enjoy many of the more materialistic things in life. I like cars and motorcycles and travelling and eating out at nice restaurants, etc.

Meh...I dunno, I still kinda think the only way to really inititate change is to just put these rabid dogs down and take our world back. Why should we be relegated to some "commune" somewhere? This is just as much my planet as anybody else's.



posted on Jan, 29 2012 @ 05:19 PM
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Originally posted by DragonTattooz
Meh...I dunno, I still kinda think the only way to really inititate change is to just put these rabid dogs down and take our world back. Why should we be relegated to some "commune" somewhere? This is just as much my planet as anybody else's.


Mainly because killing people isn't a permanent solution. I view the people in charge as being a lot like the Agents from the Matrix films; you kill the host bodies that they're in during a particular moment, and all that gets you is a little bit of time, before they come back, and then you've got the same problem again.

To me, the only real solution where they are concerned, is not to protest them, and not to fight them; but simply to educate everybody about the tactics they use, and the ways they try and manipulate people. If you'll notice, all of the schemes they come up with to manipulate us, require our consent; it's like a vampire in one of the old monster movies, who can't enter someone's house unless they are invited.

The only reason why people fall for their games, is because they don't recognise them. Most people are relatively well-meaning, and they expect the people in charge to be the same, not realising that said government people are actually psychopaths. If everyone knew about the methods they use, though, their game would be over.



posted on Jan, 29 2012 @ 07:54 PM
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posted on Jan, 29 2012 @ 08:50 PM
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Originally posted by purplemer
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Maybe you should try going back and re-reading what I've actually written, as well as the followup post. Posting image macros (particularly image macros utilising the now extremely tired Guy Fawkes mask) don't accomplish anything other than making you look like a drone.



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