UFOs + Astronaut testimony video, thoughts?, page 1

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Also plenty of interesting quotes from NASA staff, Presidents etc. in the video.

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reply to post by opnmind

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Love it, Nice vid



Some new ones in there I havent seen before. Cheers!

reply to post by opnmind

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Frigging goosebumps for some of the videos...the Jersualem one is nuts...

reply to post by CaptainBeno

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Totally agree with you! I reeally enjoy seeing some of the great videos and hope it all happens while I'm alive.

The music in this particular video is hilarious! It is so damn loud and serious! (and yes I am acting like my grandad)

I came across this one today as well, slightly clearer photo's than the previous ones I have seen of this type

reply to post by CaptainBeno

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Last two with a close ground reference is either an F-22, (they invert), or an F-35, likely the F-35 as it's rear wings are extended further back. The other one is an F-14, as the last one is, with adjustable main wings. The rest is space debris, no apparent aerodynamic designs.

In any such claims of momentous truths, it's advisable to search for contrary views, and weigh them -- check, double-check, triple-check.

Just a suggestion.

www.jamesoberg.com...

Originally posted by JimOberg
In any such claims of momentous truths, it's advisable to search for contrary views, and weigh them -- check, double-check, triple-check.

Of course, that's much easier said than done...

Few people have the time to do that. Even fewer have the inclination to do it.

Originally posted by JimOberg
www.jamesoberg.com...

I'll quote Jim's link, just because it's worth repeating.

Some ufologists accuse skeptics of failing to bother examining or investigating evidence regarding UFOs. That accusation has a fair amount of validity in relation to some skeptics. However, equally some ufologists fail to address (or even look at) the evidence put forward by some skeptics. Jim's work is worth highlighting in this regard.

UFO research will get continue getting nowhere if each side fails to actually engage with the other...

reply to post by Illustronic

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The rest is space debris, no apparent aerodynamic designs.

No air in space. No need to create / separeate high / low pressures? Infact no need for any aerodynamic design at all?


Are you saying that these aircraft are in space? or are you suggesting they are photshopped.

reply to post by CaptainBeno

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I'm saying the ones clearly in atmosphere are jets, and the ones in space are debris.

reply to post by JimOberg

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So you are saying statements made by people such as Gordon Cooper and Edgar Mitchell, to name a few, are being misconstrued by the public because of the method in which they are presented?

I must be confused.

Also, I used words such as "convincing" and "telling".
I don't remember saying I came to any type of conclusion?
In fact I said people should "at least take note"
That is all, thank you.

Originally posted by ChakaBoy
reply to post by JimOberg

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So you are saying statements made by people such as Gordon Cooper and Edgar Mitchell, to name a few, are being misconstrued by the public because of the method in which they are presented?

I must be confused.

No, but you are only partially informed.

Never rely only on ONE side of a debate, even on my side.

For Cooper, one should compare his stories to the versions other witnesses to the same events have told.

Also, for Cooper, find out how many millions of dollars people lost by trusting Cooper's expert opinions on aviation industry investments.

And ask around to find anybody who believes Cooper's story that he saved the space shuttle program from a fatal design flaw by relaying a telepathic warning from space aliens. A flaw, by the way, he never documents, and which resembles nothing ever 'fixed' by NASA engineers [I checked].

For Mitchell, assess the credibility of other conclusions that he has reached regarding Uri Geller, space telepathy, and similar fringe subjects. A man can be honest, imaginative, enthusiastic, and courageous -- all of which I believe Mitchell to be -- without deserving sole-source-don't-bother-to-check credibility on everything.

reply to post by JimOberg

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I can agree with that for the most part. My own personal experiences and beliefs affect my output sometimes. I tend to relate to people saying what I also think, aswel. But I agree, there is always two sides to a coin. Different people do live in different realities at the same time. I simply try to take everything with a grain of salt and also try to stay open to any/every possibility.

Originally posted by ChakaBoy
reply to post by JimOberg

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I can agree with that for the most part. My own personal experiences and beliefs affect my output sometimes. I tend to relate to people saying what I also think, aswel. But I agree, there is always two sides to a coin. Different people do live in different realities at the same time. I simply try to take everything with a grain of salt and also try to stay open to any/every possibility.

I think it's worth the effort because there very likely ARE things of interest, even GREAT interest, being perceived and reported as UFOs. But to date, I am sad to say, we have not been able to successfully filter them out from the 'noise', and too many people are charmed and enamored of the noise itself, alas. The astronaut stories are a prime example of this self-indulgent dead-ended detour, IMHO.

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