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Originally posted by daskakik
reply to post by BBalazs
Slow death is all we have. 60, 70, 80 maybe 90 years with luck. A thousand years ago that would seem like a god send and they didn't have hfcs. So making it out to be the bad guy just seems wrong.
Sugar is not artificial, it is present in every fruit that we eat. Sure not how we see it today but the body does not process it in a different way. If it is in an orange or a twinkie it doesn't know the difference.
All I'm saying is that the real world doesn't match the lab results. When this is the case then the scientific communtiy has to refine their theories.
edit on 31-1-2012 by daskakik because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by BBalazs
also, you got me confused with someone.
i never made it out to be a bad guy.
how true,how many times I've heard "it can't be that simple"the thing is that I raised my family the way I was raised as far as nutrition goes.But when we drank soda it was diet,long story short,my son came up with a condition directly linked to aspartame and nobody will convince me otherwise.So with that all we drink is water,and I water and coffee.Until they decide to poison coffee(lol, I couldn't imagine living without).
Originally posted by UnlimitedSky
reply to post by TWILITE22
I agree with you. I don't care how 'uncool' I look but things really were much better when more of us lived off the land. And when life was simple. The good old days.
We have far to many bells in whistles in our food, lifestyles and systems. And they are making a noise. A terrible noise that is out of harmoney with man himself. Our lives are like commercial christmas trees; decadent and overdone.
When I buy food, I buy most of our food not packaged of processed. Raw fruit and veggies. Wish I had my own piece of land. The closer to it's natural state the better for man and nature.
It once again reminds me of the quote by Bradford Brown:
"We ask for simple answers to life's problems,
when we get simple ones we get confused."
Originally posted by wmd_2008
reply to post by fulllotusqigong
Wow just coca cola then so this has nothing to do with it
Sorry but this is typical CONSPIRACY BS.
I know people who NEVER drink soft drinks and are overweight!
I know people who always drink soft drinks and are NOT overweight.
I know people who eat very large amounts of food and are NOT overweight.
To try and blame one item of food or drink is BS, when in the USA portion sizes are way to big.
Simple reason why MOST people get overweight, what they eat is more than they burn up during the day AND THAT IS FACT NOT BS!
But from 1976 to 2011 fat consumption in the American diet has gone down, from 36% to 32%, while carb consumption has gone up, from 43% to 50%. --Center for Disease Control
And in those carbs - I'm going to make a leap here, but it's pretty obvious - the problem is sugar. Because the big change to "carbs" over that period is the ever-increasing percentage of sugar. In particular, sugar added to processed food. In the US processed food includes all fast food but salad and coffee and pretty much everything in the grocery store that isn't raw or uncooked except maybe hard-boiled eggs. According to the USDA, sugar consumption increased 39 percent between 1950–59 and 2000 as use of corn sweeteners octupled.
But if you wanted to put together a better formula, here's a hint. Alcohol and fructose are metabolized in very much the same ways and have many of the same adverse effects, including obesity, diabetes and heart disease. Shouldn't fructose be discouraged at least as much as alcohol.
There is no such thing as a good calorie or a bad calorie. It's a unit of energy. As long as you BURN more calories than you INTAKE, you will lose weight, end of story.
Maintenance of a reduced or elevated body weight is associated with compensatory changes in energy expenditure, which oppose the maintenance of a body weight that is different from the usual weight. These compensatory changes may account for the poor long-term efficacy of treatments for obesity.
I'm not misinformed. I've had back problem........
If you burn more calories than you take in, you HAVE to lose weight, unless you are a scientific miracle. It's ENERGY. That's like saying you drove 10 miles but gained 2 gallons of gas.
Before new methods to improve exercise adherence are found, the role of prescribed physical activity in prevention of weight gain remains modest.
There is no doubt that with exercise, a healthy eating lifestyle works wonders.
if you are taking the effort to exercise.. say, you do an hour on an elliptical for 830 calories (which is my average.. I always go longer though, until I hit 1000 calories), why would you want to suck in a 1200 calorie Schlotzky's sandwhich?
People are fat because they choose to be.
These data suggest that interindividual levels of energy expended during activity do not have a large influence on age-related trends in adiposity. In addition, contrary to expectations, these data suggest that mean activity energy expenditure does not vary substantially between contemporary social groups with low and high prevalences of obesity.
Originally posted by mindpurge
I totally 100% agree with Cola's and high fructose being a HUGE contributor to our obesity...
HOWEVER, I don't believe that all carbs are bad... Take potatoes for instance... These are complex carbs and they keep you full, your body burns a lot of calories just to digest it, and its chalk full of minerals and nutrients.
Most people that scream potatoes are bad for you, are Atkins-Head low carb fanatics, that you look at and you're like... "Man... that must be why you're so pale... you're almost turning green!"
So it comes down to a lot of Common sense... I'd agree muffins, bread and even corn, can be bad for you (carbs)... but some are still highly needed (potatoes, avacadoes, whole grain organic wheat), which would be just nuts to remove from your diet.
It's like Salt... too much is very very bad... but NONE is even worse. You NEED salt to survive, its your only way to retain water, and without it, you WILL die very very quickly.edit on 31-1-2012 by mindpurge because: (no reason given)