posted on Feb, 1 2012 @ 12:34 PM
Originally posted by Reheat
You seem to be very confused. There was no "shoot down authorization" from the President until after UA 93 had crashed. The fighters out of
Andrews had "shoot down" authorization from VP Chaney, but there are serious questions about the legality of that. It really didn't matter as the
attack was already over anyway.
You need to review your sources. Norm Mineta specifically stated in his 9/11 commission hearing testimony that there was a shoot down order before
flight 77 even hit the Pentagon. He just didn't know it at the time. Here's the exact transcript:
"MR. HAMILTON: We thank you for that. I wanted to focus just a moment on the Presidential Emergency Operating Center. You were there for a good
part of the day. I think you were there with the vice president. And when you had that order given, I think it was by the president, that authorized
the shooting down of commercial aircraft that were suspected to be controlled by terrorists, were you there when that order was given?
MR. MINETA: No, I was not. I was made aware of it during the time that the airplane coming into the Pentagon. There was a young man who had come in
and said to the vice president, "The plane is 50 miles out. The plane is 30 miles out." And when it got down to, "The plane is 10 miles out," the
young man also said to the vice president, "Do the orders still stand?" And the vice president turned and whipped his neck around and said, "Of
course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?" Well, at the time I didn't know what all that meant. And --
MR. HAMILTON: The flight you're referring to is the --
MR. MINETA: The flight that came into the Pentagon.
MR. HAMILTON: The Pentagon, yeah.
MR. MINETA: And so I was not aware that that discussion had already taken place. But in listening to the conversation between the young man and the
vice president, then at the time I didn't really recognize the significance of that.
And then later I heard of the fact that the airplanes had been scrambled from Langley to come up to DC, but those planes were still about 10 minutes
away. And so then, at the time we heard about the airplane that went into Pennsylvania, then I thought, "Oh, my God, did we shoot it down?" And then
we had to, with the vice president, go through the Pentagon to check that out.
MR. HAMILTON: Let me see if I understand. The plane that was headed toward the Pentagon and was some miles away, there was an order to shoot that
MR. MINETA: Well, I don't know that specifically, but I do know that the airplanes were scrambled from Langley or from Norfolk, the Norfolk area. But
I did not know about the orders specifically other than listening to that other conversation.
MR. HAMILTON: But there very clearly was an order to shoot commercial aircraft down.
MR. MINETA: Subsequently I found that out."
So the order of events was...
a) Interceptors from Langley were scrambled to cover DC
b) The order to shoot down commercial aircraft was issued by the president (NOT Cheney). Mineta doesn't know about this order or about the
c) Flight 77 approached D.C.
d) Someone asked Cheney if the shoot down order still stood and Cheney confirmed it did. Mineta doesn't know what this means at the time.
e) Flight 77 hit the Pentagon
f) Mineta then finds out that interceptors were scrambled from Langley.
f) They got word that another hijacked arcraft (flight 93) went down over Pennsylvania. At the time everyone wonders if it was shot down so they went
to the Pentagon to to get confirmation. Mineta is especially horrified because he knows about the interceptors but doesn't know about the shoot down
g) Mineta later finds out there was a presidential order to shoot down commercial aircraft.
If you can see any other way to interpret his testimony (that is, which doesn't include armies of sinister secret agents covering up sinister plots
to take over the world), by all means let me know. When I say to the OP that he needs to read the 9/11 Commission report to learn facts like this,
specifically to avoid bickering over ridiculous conspiracy claims, how am I wrong, exactly?