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Hawaii to censor internet: Dear Politicians, Stop Supporting Laws You Don’t Even Understand

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posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 03:01 PM
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Gizmoto

Another bill which would have violated the civil liberties of many—Hawaii's H.B. 2288 Internet Dossier bill—has been pulled off the table following public outrage. And for good reason; the law would have tracked every website Hawaiians visited, and likened that browsing history to a name and address. It opened the door to profound first and fourth amendment violations. But worst of all, it was born out of ignorance. That's not okay.


There is an all out war on our internet privacy. I surmise this was organized by the bilderbergers as it is in all nations and at all levels from international with ACTA (which Obamma ILLEGALLY signed October 2011) to SOPA/PIPA which is only set aside not cancelled (even worse it was transfered to another bill on Child Pornography HR 1981- who's going to protest and anit child pornogrphy bill?), to now state level bills like this one in Hawaii. I'm sure it will not stop there.

gizmoto 2nd thread

Hawaii! You're supposed to be the state that us contiguous folks dream about moving to so we can escape the noise and interwaves of computers and Internet. You're not supposed to be the state that pushes a ridiculous invasion of privacy bill that requires every Internet provider to keep track of every single website every person ever visits. What happened to paradise?


And it gets worse. There is absolutely NO oversight in this bill:

What's worse, is that the current proposal is extremely broad and has no specifications whatsoever for privacy. There are no restrictions what internet providers can do (like sell it to advertisers), no instructions stating that police need a court order to look at the files and no stipulation that the data must be encrypted. It's just insane how much information this bill will invasively squeeze out of Hawaii citizens without offering any semblance of protection for them. This is crazy. Hawaii, save yourself! Don't let them do this to you.

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Hawaii is just the first, I'm sure we will see more bills ahead from other states.

We are to be corporate SLAVES with no right to privacy and no ability to protest as they are writing laws to stop all public protests thanks to OWS backlash and now Twitter bowing to State censorship too.

We stand at a seminal moment of history. We either draw a line in the sand and fight now, or we are about to enter a new dark age where corporations rule with an iron fist. Fascism much worse than the world has ever seen before.
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posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 03:08 PM
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Man, This will be a crusher for students. Most of the information needed for a students paper is on the internet, especially straight to the source information.

Totally blows and is totally wrong /IMO



posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 03:09 PM
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Now maybe I am missing something here...
Where in this bill is there any mention of censoring? It looks to me like its a tracking law, and if i'm not mistaken doesnt your first quoted external text say that the bill was already pulled ff the table?



Originally posted by pianopraze
Gizmoto

Another bill which would have violated the civil liberties of many—Hawaii's H.B. 2288 Internet Dossier bill—has been pulled off the table following public outrage.




posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 03:18 PM
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Originally posted by youdidntseeme
Now maybe I am missing something here...
Where in this bill is there any mention of censoring? It looks to me like its a tracking law, and if i'm not mistaken doesnt your first quoted external text say that the bill was already pulled ff the table?


Any time you put a bill out that will record everything everyone does that police and advertisers can access without a court order it is tantamount to censorship.

Add the twitter censorship and viola... so please don't pick at semantics


I guess you are technically correct, this is not a censorship bill it an anti privacy bill, and yes it caused such an uproar that they pulled back on it. Just because the pulled back does not mean they won't change it and put it forward again like SOPA. Hawaiians are standing up... we all should.

If you read all my post you will see this is an all encompassing attack at every level on our privacy and freedom.

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posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 03:25 PM
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Originally posted by pianopraze

Any time you put a bill out that will record everything everyone does that police and advertisers can access without a court order it is tantamount to censorship.


Access to records and censoring content are not the same thing.



Add the twitter censorship and viola... so please don't pick at semantics


Not a semantical argument in the least. Censorship and what this law actually is, or was since is been killed, are not even close. Im not nitpicking your chooice of words, just the wrong word and idea altogether. It totally misconstrues the point f the article.



I guess you are technically correct, this is not a censorship bill it an anti privacy bill, and yes it caused such an uproar that they pulled back on it. Hawaiians are standing up... we all should.


That is what we should be focussed on. This is an important topic, and the Hawaiian people have done the right thing. Let's just not sensationalize the topic with a bad headline.



posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 03:29 PM
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Originally posted by youdidntseeme
That is what we should be focussed on. This is an important topic, and the Hawaiian people have done the right thing. Let's just not sensationalize the topic with a bad headline.


Why are you trolling me if your agreeing with me? And yes it is semantics. I am not sensationalizing.

If i put a video recorder on you 24/7 recording every action you take you will change your actions. This IS censorship!

Besides I extensively quoted from 2 articles, so your free to make up your own mind, skip the headline already.



posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 03:33 PM
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This is something I posted in another thread. I think it will help you understand the bill's origins.



The only good thing about it is that if H.B. 2288 (the companion bill in the Hawaii Senate is S.B. 2530) is written into law, it will be limited to residents of Hawaii. But I'm enough of a worry wart to see that there is nothing keeping it from becoming law in other states and perhaps federally.

What am I worried about?

OK, here's the bad news:

Hawaii's legislature is weighing an unprecedented proposal to curb the privacy of Aloha State residents: requiring Internet providers to keep track of every Web site their customers visit. . . .
The measure. . . says "Internet destination history information" and "subscriber's information" such as name and address must be saved for two years. . . . the dossiers must include a list of Internet Protocol addresses and domain names visited.


Why would they do something like that? The sponsor of the House bill said

"We must do everything we can to protect the people of Hawaii from these attacks and give prosecutors the tools to ensure justice is served for victims."

She introduced the bill shortly after her e-mail account was hacked and she had an argument with a web site designer.

Not surprisingly, people are concerned, especially because of the lack of protection written into the Senate companion bill.

Mizuno's proposal currently specifies no privacy protections, such as placing restrictions on what Internet providers can do with this information (like selling user profiles to advertisers) or requiring that police obtain a court order before perusing the virtual dossiers of Hawaiian citizens. Also absent are security requirements such as mandating the use of encryption.

As I said, even I'm scared by this one and I know nothing about the Internet or Internet privacy.

You may want to find out if your local government is looking at anything like this.

Hawaii May keep Track of All Web Sites Visited - CNETnews.cnet.com...

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posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 06:38 PM
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Its time.

The chess pieces are moving into final position boys and girls.

No time for arguing about semantics.

No time to sit and ponder what might happen if this comes knocking on the door of your state next.

No time to believe that because one bill has been "pulled off the table" we have won anything.

We are on the very cusp of being too late. Get outraged. Get informed. Get going.



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