reply to post by PurpleSun
I don't necessarily agree.
Of course one can find this web-site to to prove this, or that web-site to prove that.
However, there's no clear scientific evidence either way, and therefore it's also incorrect to say there's no evidence that points to genetic, birth
order or other factors.
What is suggested rather interestingly is that male homosexuality is rarer by incidence than female homosexual encounters, but male homosexuals are
more likely to be exclusively gay.
This does not mean that there are no men who play both fields in a lifetime (or encounters in homosocial settings like prisons), or that there are no
exclusively gay woman.
But it does suggest that the mechanism for male homosexuality may largely differ to that in women.
To me it was never a choice.
I can choose to be celibate with an iron will, but I cannot make myself feel sexually attracted to a woman.
So I can choose not to have sex, but I'm speaking the plain truth if I say I cannot have heterosexual sex.
Gender non-conformist play in childhood is often used in studies, because it generally and quite accurately foretells gay sexuality even from
Now a lot of different people are lumped under broad definitions in Western sexual politics.
Not all these people will have the same experience of sexuality.
In academia there is an old debate between the essentialists and social constructionists (the former argue that gender and sexuality is biologically
determined, while the latter argue that all sexuality is socially constructed by economic and other forces).
I don't believe that all sexuality in animals has to do with dominance - there are other forms of bonding.
The bonobos don't look very dominant as they enjoy their daily sex play.
Perhaps that's a bit like saying that male dominance over females amongst humans is natural because of the heterosexual sex act.
But yeah, women and slaves were seen as passive partners to dominate, and so "heterosexual men" took advantage of that in various cultures (and
apparently they still do in some).
Perhaps that is natural?
I'm a grown man attracted to other grown men.
I've been through the therapies and exorcisms.
I've looked at pre-colonial cultures (and there was usually homosexuality and a "third gender").
Even in Africa, which Westerners once saw as supposedly "hyper-heterosexual", homosexuality was widespread.
Perhaps all sex has a degree of submission and dominance.
Well I like mine with men.
I cannot like it with women - that's the crux.
I also understand that many straight people find the idea of gay sex repulsive.
Try telling them their heterosexuality is only a choice!
I don't find women repulsive at all, but I find the idea of heterosexual sex quite repulsive.
Why only question gay sexuality on this?
The majority of heterosexuals aren't exactly living in a convent.
Why can they have all the fun in the world, and nobody every demands an explanation from them?
In many non-Western cultures there is no choice.
The parents decide whom you marry, and both men and women are thrown into a situation that may violate their sexuality.
But not all cultures care about individual human rights.
I'd like to advance a culture that does.
In Uganda at the moment they are once again thinking of introducing the death sentence for gays, and sentences for anyone that fails to report a known
Many have been killed or forced into exile.
Some had their limbs chopped off.
Yeah, I'm sure people will face all that, and excommunication from their families over something they merely choose.
I sometimes think the Western countries have had too many rights, and they've forgotten what they mean or where they came from.
edit on 17-2-2012 by halfoldman because: (no reason given)