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My Son's School Counselor Quoted Him Scripture

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posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 10:16 AM
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Originally posted by Starchild23
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Do you really expect this child to understand that? You're talking physics now. I'm sure that would be so much better...explain in a way that the child can't understand.


I am not talking physics.

That is a Spiritual belief. You obviously object - - - with the excuse a child won't understand.




posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 10:17 AM
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Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by jerryznv
What should you quote when giving insperational points (anything but the Bible)?



Why is a counselor giving religious inspirational anything?

That is a violation of Church and State.

How about this. "There is no god - - we are all connected by energy. What we think creates. One must be aware of there thoughts and how it affects the energy whole."

I'm sure that is perfectly acceptable for a counselor to say. Don't you agree?



Poor kid...wait until he goes to college and is required to study intro to religion for his degree!

What is energy?

Wow...now he needs that degree to understand this concept!


How can you say their is no god...isn't that a religion in itself...the atheists of the world unite...that doesn't make any sense to me!



posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 10:17 AM
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[color=dodgerblue]You sure about that?


New International Version (©1984) So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.



New Living Translation (©2007) "Do to others whatever you would like them to do to you.



New American Standard Bible (©1995) "In everything, therefore, treat people the same way you want them to treat you, for this is the Law and the Prophets.



Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010) Everything whatsoever you desire that people should do for you, do likewise for them, for this is the Law and The Prophets.



King James 2000 Bible (©2003) Therefore all things whatsoever you would that men should do to you, do you even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.



Source



posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 10:21 AM
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Originally posted by daryllyn
reply to post by Starchild23
 


[color=dodgerblue]You sure about that?


New International Version (©1984) So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.



New Living Translation (©2007) "Do to others whatever you would like them to do to you.



New American Standard Bible (©1995) "In everything, therefore, treat people the same way you want them to treat you, for this is the Law and the Prophets.



Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010) Everything whatsoever you desire that people should do for you, do likewise for them, for this is the Law and The Prophets.



King James 2000 Bible (©2003) Therefore all things whatsoever you would that men should do to you, do you even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.



Source




It also comes from before the Bible was ever written.

en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 10:23 AM
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Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by Starchild23
reply to post by Annee
 


Do you really expect this child to understand that? You're talking physics now. I'm sure that would be so much better...explain in a way that the child can't understand.


I am not talking physics.

That is a Spiritual belief. You obviously object - - - with the excuse a child won't understand.



You just said to talk about energy...and if that isn't a physics discussion, then it is most certainly religious. Only physics and religion can explain how everything is connected with energy.



posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 10:23 AM
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Originally posted by jerryznv

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by jerryznv
What should you quote when giving insperational points (anything but the Bible)?



Why is a counselor giving religious inspirational anything?

That is a violation of Church and State.

How about this. "There is no god - - we are all connected by energy. What we think creates. One must be aware of there thoughts and how it affects the energy whole."

I'm sure that is perfectly acceptable for a counselor to say. Don't you agree?



Poor kid...wait until he goes to college and is required to study intro to religion for his degree!

What is energy?



What do you mean poor kid.

That is a Spiritual belief. A child raised in that Spiritual belief - - would be very confused by someone reading bible verses to them.

It could be very harmful to a child raised with this Spiritual belief - - - to be disciplined with bible verses.

Reading bible verses is forcing a religion on a child - - - who may have a completely different concept of God.

It is wrong and harmful - - - and in violation of Church and State.



posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 10:23 AM
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Originally posted by Annee
I would be LIVID!

I am a major proponent of separation of church and state.

I would at least inform the principle - - just for the purpose of it being on record in case there are other complaints.


Thank you, this is definately closer to my own thought process!! I'm not usually a raising cain kinda person, but it certainly did surprise me and make me, myself and I uncomfortable!



posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 10:23 AM
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[color=dodgerblue]But it can still be considered biblical because it is within the text of the bible.

Second.



posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 10:25 AM
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It also comes from before the Bible was ever written.


Really? When was the bible written?

Probably long before Wikipedia...by the way...notice the A.D....that mean after the death of Christ...roughly 2012 years ago!



posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 10:27 AM
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What do you mean poor kid.


What do I mean?

Your the one saying his rights were violated...poor kid...he has obviously fallen victim to a violation of his rights!



posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 10:31 AM
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Originally posted by MaximinusThrax
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its a strange situation but exposing a person (your kid) to other beliefs is a good idea instead of keeping them in the dark or bashing what they might not understand ,it will make them a wiser and rounded person , enough so to make his own choices.


im curious do you celebrate christmas and easter and such?

Please do not assume (ass~u~me) that I don't expose my children to other beliefs! In fact, all of my children went to bible schools over the summer, they have attended services in Catholic churches, Evangelical churches and two of them have been to numerous Mormon services! Not to mention we celebrate, not just Christmas, but Chanukah and Kwanza! We diversify grately what our children are exposed to and are very adimant about their individuality as human beings, thank you!

However, the point is much more about the seperation of Church and State, also the possibility of offending other children and their family's beliefs!

that would be very contradicting
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posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 10:38 AM
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That would be an inaccurate assessment, because the Bible should not be credited with "coining" the phrase.



posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 10:40 AM
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Originally posted by jerryznv
reply to post by Starchild23
 





It also comes from before the Bible was ever written.


Really? When was the bible written?

Probably long before Wikipedia...by the way...notice the A.D....that mean after the death of Christ...roughly 2012 years ago!



Do you really think the first draft of the Bible was the first ever written document? There are documents and written pieces from before Jesus was ever born.

Take Greek manuscripts, for example. Not to mention Nostradamus and Sophacles, Aristotle and everyone else...



posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 10:41 AM
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Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by jerryznv

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by jerryznv
What should you quote when giving insperational points (anything but the Bible)?



Why is a counselor giving religious inspirational anything?

That is a violation of Church and State.

How about this. "There is no god - - we are all connected by energy. What we think creates. One must be aware of there thoughts and how it affects the energy whole."

I'm sure that is perfectly acceptable for a counselor to say. Don't you agree?



Poor kid...wait until he goes to college and is required to study intro to religion for his degree!

What is energy?



What do you mean poor kid.

That is a Spiritual belief. A child raised in that Spiritual belief - - would be very confused by someone reading bible verses to them.

It could be very harmful to a child raised with this Spiritual belief - - - to be disciplined with bible verses.

Reading bible verses is forcing a religion on a child - - - who may have a completely different concept of God.

It is wrong and harmful - - - and in violation of Church and State.








So if I were to quote Einstein's theory of relativity to you, you would be forced to adhere to that principle? The kid couldn't even remember the whole thing, let alone adopt Christianity.

Your argument is weak.
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posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 10:45 AM
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There are plenty of great quotes by historical figures that can be used as teaching/counseling aids.

NO religious text has any business in Public School.

PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 10:46 AM
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But let me guess...you wouldn't mind a random quote from a book on Buddha being mentioned in class? That's education based on religious texts as well.

Thus, your problem is simply with religion. Don't force your atheism on growing children.
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posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 10:48 AM
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Originally posted by Starchild23
So if I were to quote Einstein's theory of relativity to you, you would be forced to adhere to that principle? The kid couldn't even remember the whole thing, let alone adopt Christianity.

Your argument is weak. [/quote

Using an Agnostic scientist and socialist as an argument against using religious text in public school.

Good one.

NO religious text belongs in public school.



posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 10:51 AM
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But see, this wasn't in a class. It was friendly advice.

Not education. FRIENDLY ADVICE.

Are you going to control whether kids can discuss religion at playgrounds now?



posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 10:53 AM
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I don't see a beef here. If good advice is available I don't care if it comes from the bible, Playboy or Dr. Phil. Though you are probably going to get better advice from the first 2. This is not a case of religion being forced on someone. It advice being given from a religious text, which is probably universal.



posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 10:56 AM
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Originally posted by intrepid
I don't see a beef here. If good advice is available I don't care if it comes from the bible, Playboy or Dr. Phil. Though you are probably going to get better advice from the first 2. This is not a case of religion being forced on someone. It advice being given from a religious text, which is probably universal.


Exactly. Religious advice is generally advice that can be taken in any situation. Also, religious advice is advice that is taken from a religious text...the idea itself (as I have said) is not the intellectual property of the book or its authors.

Hence, anyone with half a brain (adults and up, usually) can come up with the idea. It's a universal concept, given religious connotations. That's all.



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