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Originally posted by Pelvi
reply to post by DaRAGE
If you were a big wig executive for say.. GM.. and all of the gas companies paid you a pretty penny to NOT create these vehicles, what would you do? Now I know right now you say, turn it down. Well then you gotta remind yourself that no one has showed up at your doorstep yet offering say.. 50 million. Maybe even more for all we know
Originally posted by mossme89
Well what many people don't realize is that the carburetor is EXTREMELY inefficient.
A friend just wrapped the copper fuel line around the exhaust,so it preheated the fuel before it headed into the carb.
He claimed a big boost in the mileage.
Seems simple, right? Well what many people don't realize is that the carburetor is EXTREMELY inefficient.
So… It doesn't take a genius to realize that if that fuel could be used more for kinetic energy than heat, than cars would be incredibly efficient.
Even at 50% efficiency, a Hummer, which struggles to get 10mpg, could get 40mpg.
Originally posted by drock905
There are millions of people in the USA alone that work on their cars, hundreds of magazines dedicated to achieving the highest performance and efficiency out of their motors. To think that if this was possible and no one is pursuing it in the hobby world and the fact that it isn't common knowledge and repeatable proves to me that it's a hoax at best and at worst a scam to swindle automotive illiterate people out of their money. It's scary how many people have absolutely zero idea of how a machine they use everyday of their adult lives even works.
Automotive companies are hugely competitive, spending billions of dollars on research . every new model is a giant leap in tech, their competitors have to be better every time and if they fail they lose their jobs. To think that a company would keep tech like this in the modern era secret and hidden is kind of ridiculous in my opinion.
Automotive journalists are pretty good, one of the best at uncovering industry secrets. There are very few stories that stay secret in that world for very long and something this big would not be a secret.
Oh and carburetors haven't been used on production cars for 25+ years.
edit on 27-1-2012 by drock905 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by RMFX1
Originally posted by Stryc9nine
tom ogle story makes me sad. you know he was murdered.
and for the record, there is no reason why the oil companies wouldn't want more life out of their gas. In fact, it would be beneficial to them. If we figure out a way to get 5 times the mileage per gallo, they can simply increase the price by 5 times and that way they have a longer run at the profit. It would simply last longer and if we were paying the same price to travel the same distance that we do now..who would really complain?
This conspiracy theory makes no sense at all.
Originally posted by onecraftydude
I have tested this myself. I have videos of the vaporizer I built and the testing. i was able to double the run time of the generator, but the results were a combination of factors not only related to vaporization of the fuel. The exhaust accounted for 10%, the magnets (surprisingly enough) added 10% and the vaporizer could make up the remainder dependent on load. www.youtube.com...
When the early vaporizers were used the gas had less plastic additives because they contained lead for the valve seats. In the 80's that changed and teflon was used instead. What i found from the vaporization was that a small seed would form in an elbow on the intake and become a large obstruction over time until the entire intake was clogged with a teflon ball. I would have to remove the elbow and dig out the obstruction. If this were on a car it would go about a thousand miles and stop running.
Pantone is the designer of the system I used except for my own modifications. There have been others as well as fully hho or hydrogen/oxygen engines. An electric hydrogen generator was made to resonate at the frequency of the metal tubes or plates and the cell would act like a coil resonating at its critical frequency creating excess energy beyond what Faraday had calculated with conventional electrical principles. I have witnessed this phenomenon personally while testing hydrogen generators, but have never been able to replicate the anomaly. It is possible to resonate a cell, but it is akin to tuning the finest piano electronically.
There have also been plenty of scam artists involved in fringe sciences. recently a guy promised 50% gains on vehicles that installed his hydrogen systems. The systems were inefficient and overpriced and never produced the desired results. This same guy had been selling stock in a company that made an electric motor which used a small input for the huge output. He went to jail for that one.
I am of the opinion that if it cannot be replicated that does not disprove it, but I would love to see someone prove that their device is doing anything I have not been able to do myself. I have never had an engine running on hydrogen and oxygen HHO but I have seen it even though the hydrogen generator used more power than the motor could produce. Not very practical, but still cheaper than gas for a stationary engine.
I have been waiting for someone to show up on my steps for years. If I made a claim I could not absolutely back up I would not only expect a knock, I would deserve it. Some of the ideas put out were untested and purely theoretical, but never worked in all conditions. My tests showed that I could lose all my gains from vaporization just by placing the engine under max load where it needed more fuel.
Not enough money is spent right now with real innovators. The people who get the grants have professional grant writers and scientists on staff. It truly limits innovation by discriminating against open minded inventors. It will always be a struggle of the haves and have-nots, but right now J.P. Morgan is still fighting to control his energy even though he himself died a long time ago. The legacy is the norm and the noose will get ever tighter until oil is a memory. By that time the energy gurus will have bought all of the smaller companies and begaun a new empire based on plasma.
with a throttle based regulator that allows more/less fumes depending on how you press the gas.
Maybe using a small turbo compressor to take the fumes and compress them prior to be injected in the cylinder.
It pisses me off to see so many "know it alls" and negitivity, from people who have an education in fields related to this thread.
It is possible to double or triple the (if not more) efficiency.
Originally posted by mossme89
Originally posted by DaRAGE
I've heard about these carburetors for ages. I want one.
I want to believe!
I just dont understand why car companies dont just release these carburetors that can do that..
People would FLOCK to that company to buy their cars.edit on 27-1-2012 by DaRAGE because: (no reason given)
It's not the car companies, it's big oil. If an average person's gas efficiency was multiplied by 5, then they would only buy 1/5 as much gas, meaning the oil companies only get 1/5 as much profit from a person than now.
It's really comes down to greed.
I remember cars that got 60 mpg out of the factory, I had a 1960 Plymouth Valiant with a slant 6 that did that.