reply to post by OrphenFire
But would it really be me? or my Clone? Will My eyes just go black and then Im dead? Yes my clone will meterialise and know everything I know, and
you would never know the difference, but What If I didnt counsiously go with it?
I suck at explaining it. The real me will be dead, and you all will be interecting with a different intellectual being, the same as me, but not
acually me.
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reply posted on 29-1-2012 @ 02:05 AM by Vitchilo
reply to post by ChaoticOrder
Just watch the Fifth Element, it's all explained in there.
Dallas Multipass!
That just sounds completely ridiculous to me. How do they expect to print a meal?
Just watch the Fifth Element, it's all explained in there.
Dallas Multipass!
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reply posted on 29-1-2012 @ 02:27 AM by petrus4
Originally posted by Aim64C
reply to post by The X
I believe you do not understand the concept of altruism.
I understand the concept of altruism. The problem is that the concept does not beget the mechanics and/or the means thereof.
Follow?
I do; but in all of my own observation, the ability to technologically or logistically support altruistic behaviour, has never been our biggest obstacle. It has always been primarily a case of people such as yourself pointing out that altruism is logistically infeasible, and that we therefore should not bother to even attempt it in the first place.
Lack of technological ability, or resources, is not the primary obstacle between us and a post-scarcity (or at least provisionally post-scarcity in terms of the commodities needed for baseline physical survival) society. Our major obstacle is the inescapable presence of people who have been brainwashed by demoniacs such as Milton Freidman, and who thus coercively insist (and would even be willing to engage in physical violence towards those of us who advocate it, to the point of death) that abundance is not only impossible now, but that it always will be.
reply posted on 29-1-2012 @ 09:04 AM by Pr0t0
Jay Leno prints obsolete car parts with 3D printer. Wow! Think of the size
of that market alone.
reply to post by Vitchilo
Chic-keen ... (ping) mmmGooooood.
I don't think we'll be printing our food though. The more I read about atom control and replication (and that's just based on what we're told about), anything feels possible. Let's just hope 'they' don't blow us all up before we can make use of that kind of tech.
reply to post by Vitchilo
Chic-keen ... (ping) mmmGooooood.
I don't think we'll be printing our food though. The more I read about atom control and replication (and that's just based on what we're told about), anything feels possible. Let's just hope 'they' don't blow us all up before we can make use of that kind of tech.
reply posted on 29-1-2012 @ 10:13 AM by DerepentLEstranger
Originally posted by FugitiveSoul
reply to post by buddha
And/or complete biological entities à la 'The Fifth Element'.
"Perfect..."
the reviving mechanism is Orgone based
reply to post by SaturnFX
I suspect the consciousness of ourselves..our sense of self has something to do not with the atomic structure of ourselves, but our energy field that inhabits the body. You can build a molecule by molecule version of me, but there isn't really a hypothetical way to transfer the energy pattern going on throughout my body.
cough astral projection? keep your original body safe at home while you "possess" the other
ideally it would be something like bilocation for a kage bunshin no jutsu effect: your clone does it's mission and when finished would discorporate, it's accumulated experience and knowledge automatically downloads to the original via the Aether
reply to post by Mikeyy
if the duplicate is an exact, identical copy, resonance will do most of the work, you might also find yourself seeing thru 2 sets of eyes
sorta like stealing wifi
reply to post by predator0187
F&S
lol print your own home
gizmodo.com...
It lives in Pisa, Italy, and uses CAD software to create objects designed using the program. Blueprint Magazine describes how it works:
Driven by CAD software installed on a dust-covered computer terminal, the armature moves just millimetres above a pile of sand, expressing a magnesium-based solution from hundreds of nozzles on its lower side. It makes four passes. The layer dries and Enrico Dini recalibrates the armature frame. The system deposits the sand and then inorganic binding ink. The exercise is repeated. The millennia-long process of laying down sedimentary rock is accelerated into a day. A building emerges.
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reply posted on 29-1-2012 @ 01:33 PM by Reflection
reply to post by NWOwned
Can you possibly be more short sighted or are you just a troll??
Calling the very technology that is going to revolutionize the world "the dumbest" thing you've ever heard!
Wow! I would imagine, if you are old enough, you called that first primitive computer the dumbest thing you've ever heard because your 1980s calculator wasn't working well. So the computer must have been a really bad idea, right?
You're not the only one. A lot of people are having a really hard time seeing the big picture. Which isn't surprising because I see examples in many subjects of people not seeing big picture.
This will inevitably change capitalism as we know it. I'm not saying the free market is going to die, but it will be in a much different form when people can manufacture for themselves.
Keep in mind 3D printers aren't the only technology that will revolutionize. CNC machines are going to play a big role as well.
It's really interesting that so many people preach self sufficiency, but are either against or oblivious to the very technology that will enable people to be self sufficient.
Can you possibly be more short sighted or are you just a troll??
Calling the very technology that is going to revolutionize the world "the dumbest" thing you've ever heard!
Wow! I would imagine, if you are old enough, you called that first primitive computer the dumbest thing you've ever heard because your 1980s calculator wasn't working well. So the computer must have been a really bad idea, right?
You're not the only one. A lot of people are having a really hard time seeing the big picture. Which isn't surprising because I see examples in many subjects of people not seeing big picture.
This will inevitably change capitalism as we know it. I'm not saying the free market is going to die, but it will be in a much different form when people can manufacture for themselves.
Keep in mind 3D printers aren't the only technology that will revolutionize. CNC machines are going to play a big role as well.
It's really interesting that so many people preach self sufficiency, but are either against or oblivious to the very technology that will enable people to be self sufficient.
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reply posted on 29-1-2012 @ 03:13 PM by OrphenFire
reply to post by Mikeyy
Here's my theory on this.
The new "you" would essentially be you. It would emerge at the other end of the teleportation, thinking, "Yes! It worked!" And for him it did. He would have all of your memories and he would live the rest of his life thinking the teleportation worked. For all intents and purposes, it did. There would be no original you to argue otherwise. Even if your original consciousness was destroyed, you would not know it, and that's because non-existence cannot be observed or experienced. It wouldn't be like some miserable eternity of blackness because you "died". You'll just stop existing, but you won't know it. And the copy of you at the other end is the continuation of you. Although emerging for the first time, his memories and experiences are the same as yours and he would be you, as I already said. So my conclusion is that your consciousness would by default transfer over to the new you as if nothing happened to it.
Here's my theory on this.
The new "you" would essentially be you. It would emerge at the other end of the teleportation, thinking, "Yes! It worked!" And for him it did. He would have all of your memories and he would live the rest of his life thinking the teleportation worked. For all intents and purposes, it did. There would be no original you to argue otherwise. Even if your original consciousness was destroyed, you would not know it, and that's because non-existence cannot be observed or experienced. It wouldn't be like some miserable eternity of blackness because you "died". You'll just stop existing, but you won't know it. And the copy of you at the other end is the continuation of you. Although emerging for the first time, his memories and experiences are the same as yours and he would be you, as I already said. So my conclusion is that your consciousness would by default transfer over to the new you as if nothing happened to it.
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reply posted on 30-1-2012 @ 12:01 AM by kykweer
reply to post by Reflection
But this is stupid how are people still entertaining this? Just imagine the cost of the materials, in a factory products are produces in mass to cut down on costs, if I had to print a wrench in my house which is quite possible, it would cost two times if not 3 times more than it would cost at a local hardware store.
Now if we could implement some rapid nuclear fusion, then maybe, but its just not practical. Copying files is easy cause you can create 1's and 0's out of nothing, but you can't make stainless steel out of thin air.
But this is stupid how are people still entertaining this? Just imagine the cost of the materials, in a factory products are produces in mass to cut down on costs, if I had to print a wrench in my house which is quite possible, it would cost two times if not 3 times more than it would cost at a local hardware store.
Now if we could implement some rapid nuclear fusion, then maybe, but its just not practical. Copying files is easy cause you can create 1's and 0's out of nothing, but you can't make stainless steel out of thin air.
reply posted on 30-1-2012 @ 12:28 AM by Aim64C
reply to post by petrus4
Cute ad-hominem combined with a straw-man.
That doesn't solve the problem of how. How much work is my fair share? What does "my fair share" entail? Do I simply get food and a roof over my head with climate control... or do I get things like TV, a computer, etc?
Or am I simply handed a bunch of random # and it just gets passed around until the people who want it have it?
The issue isn't abundance or scarcity. The issue is simply that of order.
How does one track my "contribution to society?"
If you are just giving me things out of the goodness of your heart and for the betterment of society.... why should I be all that concerned about taking ample time out of my day to play the video game so graciously given to me? That behavior does little to actually help society... but it is a gift of society....
Your entire concept is horribly flawed and only addresses the minimalistic concerns of an economy - food, water, shelter. It does nothing to address the products of innovation (that will inherently be restricted based on the limited ability to produce them and the limited amount of time to run up inventory used to stock shelves or fill orders).
Money does all of this, as does contracting services (personal-private, small-business, or as an employee) - or any standard bartering/exchange medium.
You've yet to really illustrate how these scenarios would be handled under this idealistic world of an altruistic economy.
You just assert that it isn't the problem - I am; basically selecting me for removal from society.
North Korea is way ahead of you.
I do; but in all of my own observation, the ability to technologically or logistically support altruistic behaviour, has never been our biggest obstacle. It has always been primarily a case of people such as yourself pointing out that altruism is logistically infeasible, and that we therefore should not bother to even attempt it in the first place.
Cute ad-hominem combined with a straw-man.
That doesn't solve the problem of how. How much work is my fair share? What does "my fair share" entail? Do I simply get food and a roof over my head with climate control... or do I get things like TV, a computer, etc?
Or am I simply handed a bunch of random # and it just gets passed around until the people who want it have it?
Our major obstacle is the inescapable presence of people who have been brainwashed by demoniacs such as Milton Freidman, and who thus coercively insist (and would even be willing to engage in physical violence towards those of us who advocate it, to the point of death) that abundance is not only impossible now, but that it always will be.
The issue isn't abundance or scarcity. The issue is simply that of order.
How does one track my "contribution to society?"
If you are just giving me things out of the goodness of your heart and for the betterment of society.... why should I be all that concerned about taking ample time out of my day to play the video game so graciously given to me? That behavior does little to actually help society... but it is a gift of society....
Your entire concept is horribly flawed and only addresses the minimalistic concerns of an economy - food, water, shelter. It does nothing to address the products of innovation (that will inherently be restricted based on the limited ability to produce them and the limited amount of time to run up inventory used to stock shelves or fill orders).
Money does all of this, as does contracting services (personal-private, small-business, or as an employee) - or any standard bartering/exchange medium.
You've yet to really illustrate how these scenarios would be handled under this idealistic world of an altruistic economy.
You just assert that it isn't the problem - I am; basically selecting me for removal from society.
North Korea is way ahead of you.
reply posted on 30-1-2012 @ 01:07 AM by Reflection
reply to post by kykweer
I'm talking about its possibilities, not its current state. That's why I was comparing it to the first household computers. I haven't heard anyone say its as easy as copying computer files. Obviously, physical objects are more difficult to copy than a sequence of numbers. But as knowledge increases and design improves the printers will become cheaper and more advanced, as it the case for the materials it uses. Eventually it will begin to have a major affect on the market...It's in a very primitive state right now, at least the ones that most people can reasonably afford, but there's absolutely no reason it won't progress quickly unless the corporations affected by it are successful in suppressing it. Which is not out of the question by any means.
And btw, the cost of the raw materials in any product is a fraction of the cost it's sold for in the store. The markup is mostly because of the labor, patents and distribution. 3D printers can cut the cost to just the raw materials. That's why this will eventually make economical sense for the individual.
I'm talking about its possibilities, not its current state. That's why I was comparing it to the first household computers. I haven't heard anyone say its as easy as copying computer files. Obviously, physical objects are more difficult to copy than a sequence of numbers. But as knowledge increases and design improves the printers will become cheaper and more advanced, as it the case for the materials it uses. Eventually it will begin to have a major affect on the market...It's in a very primitive state right now, at least the ones that most people can reasonably afford, but there's absolutely no reason it won't progress quickly unless the corporations affected by it are successful in suppressing it. Which is not out of the question by any means.
And btw, the cost of the raw materials in any product is a fraction of the cost it's sold for in the store. The markup is mostly because of the labor, patents and distribution. 3D printers can cut the cost to just the raw materials. That's why this will eventually make economical sense for the individual.
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reply posted on 30-1-2012 @ 03:32 AM by kykweer
reply to post by Reflection
But the raw materials is what will cost u. As an example if you were really really smart and made an exact replica of an ipod in your garage, without a doubt it would cost you more than if you bought it.
I don't understand how you can think raw material is cheap, stainless steel "oh ill buy 10kg for $10?"
The material would be too costly, not the method of the 3d printers because people actually use them.
But the raw materials is what will cost u. As an example if you were really really smart and made an exact replica of an ipod in your garage, without a doubt it would cost you more than if you bought it.
I don't understand how you can think raw material is cheap, stainless steel "oh ill buy 10kg for $10?"
The material would be too costly, not the method of the 3d printers because people actually use them.
reply posted on 30-1-2012 @ 06:10 AM by thisguyrighthere
Reply to post by NWOwned
Civilization has always had teirs defined by capability.
Once affordable CNC home shops or even fictional replicators would certainly put some folks out of work. So? Should we revert back centuries because all those switchboard operators lost their jobs? Because the guy who emptied chamber pots around town is unemployed?
The problem is no one adapts anymore. If their skill set becomes obsolete they just go on the dole. Measures can help this. First education costs have to fall tremendously. No reason why they can't. High cost education is obsolete in a world where access to information is virtually universal. And second, the value of little pieces pc parchment has to fall. So many experienced and capable people are shut out because they lack a little signed statement that says "yes, they can do the thing they claim they can do."
People will opt for the path of least resistance. Go sit on welfare or go push through several demeaning, expensive and unnecessary doors to waste 2, 4, 6 years, thousands of dollars to get a little piece of paper that says you know how to donthe thing you've already been doing for 30 or 40 years.
Something else that could help tremendously is to end violently enforced taxation on property and wages. Give people a chance to farm for themselves without placing unnatural overhead costs ontheir backs.
3d printing is already obsolete and even with this old tech plenty of products can be made from nuts and bolts to AR-15 receivers and magazines. Cheaper CNC milling is the proper production medium soon to be in everyones workshop. That essentially eliminates entire industries and huge sections of retail stores.
When this is commonplace there will be another split in society. Those who can operate these machine and those who cannot.
When someone in your office fails to operate a simple laser printer and despite hours of repeated explanation still can get it you're basically looking at the new Neanderthal. Sounds harsh but it's true. Each new level of tech will break off more and more Neanderthals.
Rather than haves and have nots youll have the creators of the tech the users of the tech and those confused by the tech. Maintenance of the tech will be spread across the top two teirs which will gradually meld into one while the third teir drifts further and further away.
Trying to bring them into the fold as any educator can attest to is nigh impossible.
People are not equal. And attempts to force equality or make up for the shortcomings of others just hurts us all.
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Civilization has always had teirs defined by capability.
Once affordable CNC home shops or even fictional replicators would certainly put some folks out of work. So? Should we revert back centuries because all those switchboard operators lost their jobs? Because the guy who emptied chamber pots around town is unemployed?
The problem is no one adapts anymore. If their skill set becomes obsolete they just go on the dole. Measures can help this. First education costs have to fall tremendously. No reason why they can't. High cost education is obsolete in a world where access to information is virtually universal. And second, the value of little pieces pc parchment has to fall. So many experienced and capable people are shut out because they lack a little signed statement that says "yes, they can do the thing they claim they can do."
People will opt for the path of least resistance. Go sit on welfare or go push through several demeaning, expensive and unnecessary doors to waste 2, 4, 6 years, thousands of dollars to get a little piece of paper that says you know how to donthe thing you've already been doing for 30 or 40 years.
Something else that could help tremendously is to end violently enforced taxation on property and wages. Give people a chance to farm for themselves without placing unnatural overhead costs ontheir backs.
3d printing is already obsolete and even with this old tech plenty of products can be made from nuts and bolts to AR-15 receivers and magazines. Cheaper CNC milling is the proper production medium soon to be in everyones workshop. That essentially eliminates entire industries and huge sections of retail stores.
When this is commonplace there will be another split in society. Those who can operate these machine and those who cannot.
When someone in your office fails to operate a simple laser printer and despite hours of repeated explanation still can get it you're basically looking at the new Neanderthal. Sounds harsh but it's true. Each new level of tech will break off more and more Neanderthals.
Rather than haves and have nots youll have the creators of the tech the users of the tech and those confused by the tech. Maintenance of the tech will be spread across the top two teirs which will gradually meld into one while the third teir drifts further and further away.
Trying to bring them into the fold as any educator can attest to is nigh impossible.
People are not equal. And attempts to force equality or make up for the shortcomings of others just hurts us all.
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reply posted on 30-1-2012 @ 03:05 PM by LordBaskettIV
reply to post by thisguyrighthere
At last, somebody gets it! Thanks for not pussy footing around either. The division is so simple....if you are not a creator or actively using or improving the technology you will be left behind. Soon all jobs will slowly move over to robotics. If you are a factory worker or any menial labor, you will be replaced by machine.
At last, somebody gets it! Thanks for not pussy footing around either. The division is so simple....if you are not a creator or actively using or improving the technology you will be left behind. Soon all jobs will slowly move over to robotics. If you are a factory worker or any menial labor, you will be replaced by machine.
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