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Breaking: LAX FEMA Rendition Site Confirmed

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posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 08:46 AM
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Originally posted by ProudBird[/i


ATS site motto, remember? Ignorance abounds nowadays,


Deny Ignorance, if you watched the news reports or even just read Wikipedia,

Detention center

About one year after the NYCTA vacated the pier, Pier 57 was temporarily utilized as a detention center during the 2004 Republican National Convention, when approximately 1,200 anti-RNC protesters were arrested and sent to a makeshift detention/processing center at Pier 57. Over 1,800 were arrested during the entire event. Medical activists reportedly treated many people held at Pier 57 for chemical burns, rashes, and infections that resulted from direct, prolonged exposure to the motor oil, asbestos, and other contaminants from its days as a bus garage. [2][3][4] en.wikipedia.org...



"weed" out the lies.



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posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 11:30 AM
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Yes, 'BTS'......I've "weeded" out the lies, if you read very carefully 'between the lines'....

.....as to the "Pier 57" situation? Has been addressed, Ma'am.

It is due to be re-vamped into a fabulous site, with shopping and everything.....

You might even say it's getting a "Face-Lift"



Selection Made for the Revamping of Pier 57

I just can't wait to see the stylish designs for this "FEMA-Camp-cum-Shopping-Centre" to be!!!

Especially if the rumours hold true.....there might even be a Ferrari dealership located there!!

Rrrrrroarrrrrrr! Vroom, Vroom!!



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posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 11:46 AM
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Yep:


ProudBird is the one that originally said jones was misrepresenting the date.


Yep. Still am sayin' it.

Dunno where you are, OP....where you live, I mean.

But, come on down to sunny Southern California, why dontcha? Have a gander with yer own peepers at LAX and environs!

Playing at "Keyboard Kommandos" only accomplishes so much....."Feet On The Ground" matters greatly.

There are a variety of airline options into LAX.....many think that Southwest Airlines is a "bargain". Well, that's debatable. But, if it's how you 'roll', then go for it.

Me, when I have to pay, I prefer a Mainline carrier...although with all the mergers, this is getting harder and harder to navigate.....you have to know the history, son. So, shop by "price", but consider carefully each and every time what the itinerary shows before clicking on the button that commits you to buy..........



posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 11:56 AM
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You once again changed the location from the first set of gps coords you gave, which was the car rental lot.

The "new" argument you are making about the lonf conrete wall with barbwire can be answered with common sense.

Have you ever seen what debris on a runway can do to a plane taking off or landing? If not check out the concorde disaster were it crashed after takeoff because of damage it sustained during the takeoff from debris on the runway.

You will also notice the area just north is under construction, denoted by the dirt all over the place. Its a major airport and has been targeted in the past by terrorists (local homegrown and international).

Also it is part of the maps ive posted as well as the LAX links for their master plan.

What are you going to tell us next?


i42.tinypic.com...

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posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 11:58 AM
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Originally posted by ProudBird


.....as to the "Pier 57" situation? Has been addressed, Ma'am.



I was lost on your post, it strayed so far off the path, however ....

to bring it back on topic, it does not matter if they re-vamped Pier 57...
Its not Pier57 that is the danger, it was the "Dentention" and denial of
due process.
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posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 11:59 AM
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There was no denial of due process at all.

Please link your source stating there was.



posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 12:02 PM
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My post has source,
Your post has none.

Give me a source,
Give me one, or were done.



posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 12:22 PM
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Originally posted by Xcathdra
reply to post by 1825114
 

You once again changed the location from the first set of gps coords you gave, which was the car rental lot.

The "new" argument you are making about the lonf conrete wall with barbwire...

stop fabricating this crap about me 'changing my story' and 'backtracking.'

The first set of coordinates I gave was the limo/bus lot, and SO WAS THE SECOND. I just clicked in a different place in the lot when I copied those ones. Jesus christ...

It isn't a "new argument." You posted a picture and acted like it showed the outline of the fence mentioned in the video, and I proved that it wasn't that at all. The video in my OP shows/describes a fence with a cement base and barbed wire. That's the fence this thread is about and that's the fence I highlighted in the image I posted.

My OP also included the date of the pier 57 facility and somehow that turned into "alex was hiding the real date the facility was used"

This thread is a joke your slimy little personal attacks are pathetic. You guys are picking out things that don't have anything to do with what's actually being discussed and we've wasted two pages on this crap.
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posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 12:29 PM
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The coordinates for the limo/bus parking lot are 33.951228,-118.398006
Go to maps.google.com... , zoom in, and follow the fence


I PUT IN those co-ordinates.

It took me EXACTLY to the area I discussed previously, in THIS POST


The area, as I mentioned, and you have confirmed with the Google Map Lat/Long co-ordinates, is in clear view from any number of areas in the vicinity, as pointed out in MY post.

Tell us.....when was the last time you, personally, were in LA??



posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 12:32 PM
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Originally posted by burntheships
reply to post by Xcathdra
 


My post has source,
Your post has none.

Give me a source,
Give me one, or were done.


Typical response from you.

Here is my source - NYCLU - The rights and wrongs of the RNC convention

Claim - Fingerprinting everyone on minor charges is illegal in New York.
Fact - New York Law allows for special circumstances that will allow for fingerprinting. Per the NYCLU since it was a Republican National Convention, there is a legitimate concern of acts of terror / violence. As such NYC was within law.

Claim - People were held longer than 24 hours.
Fact - Per the NYCLU the people held were not simply issued citations and then released. The people arrested and charged were being held until they could be arraigned in front of a judge, which again is legal under New York law per the NYCLU.

Claim - Pier 57 was unsafe / posed a health hazard
Fact - Per the NYCLU report it met the established conditions.

Claim - NYPD arrested everyone in sight.
Fact - NYPD arrested those people / groups who violated the law - including unlawful assembly in areas not established as a protest zone (IE city streets that were not specified as part of the protest route and contray to popular belief you cant protest in the middle of a public right of way, since your violating the rights of the people who arent protesting to get through that specific area), failing to obey lawful commands from law enforcement to clear out of areas, in addition to many many acts of civil disobedience, including the scaling of buildings and taking over of building interiors.

I can go on but you get the idea.

The NY DA has dismissed a chunk of the citations, dismissed another bulk on conditions and the remaining bulk is working there way through the courts.

The NYCLU report, which is what I linked, reviewed everything and near the end put together recommendations. You will note that the NYCLU, after reviewing all the info, found only concerns for improvements to better handle extremely large groups of people protesting / civil disturbance etc.

Over the time period this occurred the number of total protesters was around 800 thousand people. Dealing with numbers that large does allow for a more strict response. I dont think anyone wants to see 10s of thousands of people start rioting. As the saying goes some people ruin it for everyone else.

What that means is based on the sheer number of people present, and the actions of large groups, its pretty impossible to accurately figure out whats going on and where. The options left are to let it continue, which is not acceptable, especially if it places everyone else in danger or to remove the threat by removing the location.

On a humorous note the NYCLU actually objected to NYPD using video recorders to record the incidents. Apparently they are ok when people record the police, but dont care for the same treatment so the officers can protect themselves from unfounded accusations.

Your source please.
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posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 12:34 PM
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Originally posted by ProudBird

I PUT IN those co-ordinates.

It took me EXACTLY to the area I discussed previously, in THIS POST


The area, as I mentioned, and you have confirmed with the Google Map Lat/Long co-ordinates, is in clear view from any number of areas in the vicinity, as pointed out in MY post.

I don't think it matters what you say about anything because you're extracting this fake argument that alex was hiding the 2004 dnc date when it's included in the second sentence of the report and this thread.

If you have a hard time seeing that, how are we supposed to believe what you say about anything else you say you've seen.
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posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 12:43 PM
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Originally posted by Xcathdra
NYCLU - The rights and wrongs of the RNC convention



Look at what that report states in the very beginning!


But the right to protest was severely undermined by the mass
arrests of hundreds peaceful demonstrators and bystanders, the pervasive
surveillance of lawful demonstrators, and the illegal fingerprinting and

prolonged detention

(in a filthy bus depot)

of nearly 1,500 people chargedwith the most minor of offenses.


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posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 12:46 PM
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Originally posted by 1825114
stop fabricating this crap about me 'changing my story' and 'backtracking.'

You have given us 3 different locations now. The google coordinates you gave is the car rental place. The blue line - conrete wall with barbwire is on the west-north end of the runway. They arent the same locations.



Originally posted by 1825114
The first set of coordinates I gave was the limo/bus lot, and SO WAS THE SECOND. I just clicked in a different place in the lot when I copied those ones. Jesus christ...

Then why did you add in the blue fence and concrete wall with barb wire? Whats the point of that?



Originally posted by 1825114
It isn't a "new argument." You posted a picture and acted like it showed the outline of the fence mentioned in the video, and I proved that it wasn't that at all. The video in my OP shows/describes a fence with a cement base and barbed wire. That's the fence this thread is about and that's the fence I highlighted in the image I posted.

If you took the time to red my posts you would see the lines posted in the picture were from the LAX website, showing the entire area that is under construction / development. For some reason you are fixating on that while completely ignoring the fact that what appeared on AJ video, and in the LAX map, was in fact the new car rental lot.



Originally posted by 1825114
My OP also included the date of the pier 57 facility and somehow that turned into "alex was hiding the real date the facility was used"

Not the date, just the real facts surrounding what occured, going on to lie about it being a FEMA / Rendition hub site, which its not.



Originally posted by 1825114
This thread is a joke your slimy little personal attacks are pathetic. You guys are picking out things that don't have anything to do with what's actually being discussed and we've wasted two pages on this crap.
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Whats being discussed? Wow you really have not bothered to watch your videos or read our replies then have you.

* - LAX has NO FEMA / Rendition site, as the video claims. Its a car rental lot being built for multiple agencies.

* - The LAPD / Military training is a sign that martial law is coming, as the video claims / insinuates. In fact this type of training occurs all the time dating back many many years yet he ignores that.

* - Claims that Pier 57 is a FEMA / rendition site when in fact it was used in 2004 to process arrested people during the RNC. Since then it has belonged to a private Italian company, again left out by AJ.

* - You are the one who is fixating on lines, while completely ignoring whats being said / posted.

* - The OP has been debunked, yet here you are, still trying to make an argument about lines on a map that has been answered and explained to you time and again.

The only thing pathetic is the number of flags this thread has received. It certainly doesn't bode well when people will believe what they are told without doing any research of their own to find out if what they were told is in fact a fact.

Your op and AJ has been debunked, shot down and answered.

What would you like to talk about now?



posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 12:46 PM
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Alright, what exactly does this picture you posted, and the LAX masterplan, have to do with this thread?


Originally posted by Xcathdra
LAX Master Plan
From the master plan website for LAX expansion -


That line IS NOT THE AREA DISCUSSED IN THE VIDEO. It Barely touches the fence on one end and is on the other side of a six lane highway on the other. People look at that and get the idea that that's the area being discussed, but it isn't, and you keep throwing it out like it is.

Why post it? What does that line represent and how does it affect the ability of the airport fence (across the highway!) to be used as a giant pen?

Originally posted by 1825114
blue line marks the fence in the video. orange is sepulveda blvd, pink is the pacific coast highway.
The red line, the projected expansion zone that you posted, only touches the fence line in two small spots.

The coordinates for the limo/bus parking lot are 33.951228,-118.398006
Go to maps.google.com... , zoom in, and follow the fence


i42.tinypic.com...


The blue line is to show the fence that's shown in the video. The fence this thread is about. It's there to show that the red line you keep pointing at IS NOT THE FENCE IN QUESTION.

This is insane.
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posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 12:48 PM
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Originally posted by burntheships
Look at what that report states in the very beginning!





Yup, feel free to keep reading. Check out the recommendation section . You stated due process was not present, and it very clearly was per the report.

Whats your source showing due process was violated?
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posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 12:55 PM
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As I have stated already read my first post. That was sufficient,
Although your source is icing on the cake.

Thanks!


www.nyclu.org...



illegal fingerprinting and

prolonged detention

(in a filthy bus depot)

of nearly 1,500 people chargedwith the most minor of offenses.


See that word there, illegal?

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posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 12:55 PM
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Wow.. The RED lines and map are from the LAX Expansion updates page I posted like 2 pages back that you apparently are ignoring. Not to mention your own thread title which reads -

LAX FEMA Rendition Site Confirmed.

The red boxed area is part of the airport EXPANSION. Hence the reason for my second picture which was the larger google earth view of the airport that showed construction on the North, West, South, central part and the East side of the airport, which were marked by me using text and thick red lines.

The area in the AJ video, which is the Google coords you gave, is the location for the new Consolidated Rental car construction. If you go a bit to the east of that, they are building a new transportation hub. The Blue line you posted and noted as a concrete wall with barb wire fencing is just north of the northern runways, and separates the area between the active flight control field and the construction area.

What part is confusing you?
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posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 12:56 PM
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Originally posted by burntheships
See that word there, illegal?


Next time try actually reading the information.



4. THE NYPD MUST STOP FINGERPRINTING POLITICAL PROTESTERS CHARGED WITH MINOR OFFENSES
Despite being barred by state law, the NYPD fingerprinted every person arrested during the Convention,
including the nearly 1,500 people arrested for minor offenses like parading without a permit and disorderly conduct. This raised serious concerns that the NYPD was using minor arrests to build a fingerprint database of political activists.
While the NYPD, when challenged by the NYCLU, reported that it had destroyed all the fingerprints it took during
the Convention, the Department must institute procedures and training to assure that it strictly adheres to
state law, which prohibits the taking of fingerprints from those charged with minor offenses except in unusual circumstances particular to the person under arrest.


Im still waiting for you to back your lie up about Due process being denied. As a side note you should learn what due process is, as it has nothing to do with finger printing.
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posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 12:58 PM
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You just want to move on to the next page to
bury the proof, well you can find someone else to banter with you,
as I bested you with your own source. Bye now.



posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 01:01 PM
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Originally posted by burntheships
reply to post by Xcathdra
 


You just want to move on to the next page to
bury the proof, well you can find someone else to banter with you,
as I bested you with your own source. Bye now.


Another claim by you that you cant back up, and when proven wrong you flee the thread. Why do you bother making the claims if you cant support it? Why did you make he claim without knowing what due process is or how it works?

As far as besting me, you did nothing of the sort. As I stated before, due process has nothing to do with fingerprinting. Secondly, the part you seized on, yet failed to read all the way through, proves your claim wrong. Look at the post above yours.
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