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reply to post by BLKMJK

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And why do you need this proof? What would constitute proof if you cannot even trust your own experiences and perceptions? You cannot trust your own being but you can trust some other external protocol and equipment. That, to me, defies rational thinking. Fine to doubt for a while, but when two or more people see precisely the same thing at the same time, how can you deny such a thing because a machine didn't register it?

This proof you look toward for validation of something - anything - is just as ethereal as these ghosts, etc. There are simply too many variables that cause machine malfunction that to trust them is beyond reason, imo. If you can trust machines and protocols, why can you not trust your own experiences? And if you do not have those experiences yourself, how do you rationally call the experiences of others into question? You may not identify that response as fear, but it is exactly that. It is the inability to trust others at their word. Skepticism itself starts from a negative standpoint. That is directly Fear.

I doubt many of you guys have periods. I can assure you they exist. Even if you haven't seen them, you haven't experienced them, they exist. Doctors love to tell women all about what we do and don't experience in our reproductive lives. I have had more bad info than good. Why would I trust them because their clinical evidence is in direct opposition to my own experience? Should I deny what my body tells me? To what end?

This is how you need to understand "experience". It doesn't matter what some lab tech tells you is true if that's not your experience. If I see, feel, smell, hear a ghost, then I do. No one can ever tell me it's not so. As much as you might want to try to make me doubt myself, it will never happen.

reply to post by CosmicEgg

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I agree with CosmicEgg. It seems odd to expect devices that measure the physical to be able to capture the non-physical, especially when it is 'sensed' rather than seen.

If there are physical manifestations like movement of objects or actual temperature fluctuations, perhaps...

reply to post by netwarrior

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Hey Netwarrior. First off, I would recommend biting the proverbial bullet and purchasing an inexpensive EMF meter. I've seen some rudimentary ones sell for as cheap as 30 dollars on Amazon. I don't trust apps on cellphones, personally. Secondly, if you're looking for EVP's get yourself a cheap little voice recorder. I still use the one that I had in undergrad for recording lectures. It was a little Sony with digital memory. It was like 40 bucks at the time (but that was almost 10 years ago), so you might be able to get it for much cheaper, or something even better for 40 bucks. Good luck with future hunts!

CosmicOvum! Glad to see that you're still posting (I've been gone for far too long). As always, I agree with your assessments on sensing these "disturbances." I still believe that the human machine is the best machine for the job. It just takes a little bit of work and effort. That isn't to say that certain types of technology are better suited than others for the job. I still like doing EVP recordings...they seem to be the easiest of the mediums in which to pick up messages, or "proof" of paranormal activities; not that I personally need proof.


-TS

reply to post by CosmicEgg

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I absolutely cannot disagree with anything you have said in your reply to me and I admit it is a serious character flaw I have. I sent you a private message regarding this in that I do not want to hijack this thread. Thank you for your response.

Hey guys

tsdude...nice to see you again. howzit hangin'? lol if i ever get on a machine that will let me run that java applet for chat, we might bump into each other in there at some point. in the meantime, HELLO!!

BLKMJK, your reply is waiting. <3 Please don't consider that a flaw, it is to be addressed though in its own time. Maybe you just found that time.

There is another thread here about knowing when someone is dying or has died. My response is here. Sometimes you don't have to ask if there is someone around. They let you know under no uncertain terms.

I just want to reiterate that we can do things that machines cannot. We can feel. Machines, to date, cannot. They may never be able to register things that the human form can do *when permitted*. We will never have full permission when we pander to scientific method. It precludes a great deal of specifically what we're looking for. Fringe theoretical physics, however, is moving more and more into paranormal realms. There is a cross-over happening and that has to be understood for what it is: They are one and the same. What has taken science a great deal of time to realize, we already know within us on very fundamental levels. We never had to *not know* any of these things, but in our denial of the spirit world because it is intangible and too ethereal and evasive for some, those few have chosen to deny it altogether and to require those of us who know these things to exist to deny them or be called mentally and emotionally diseased. Those days are gone though, as you will realize more and more. There is no question that existence is literally teeming with consciousness at every turn.

We are not alone, we never have been and we never will be.

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