3-4 years later, after being strongly anti-Obama....I will be voting for him for a second term., page 26

Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by Annee

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They certainly don't put back into the system as much as they take out.

Certain levels of wealth are understandable, and good, but things have gone crazy lately.

You certainly shouldn't have to give up on having a life in order to accumulate reasonable amounts of wealth.

I agree.

But what is our system? Is our government Capitalist? Or is it something else?

Personally - I'm what I refer to as Progressive Socialist. I support everyone's basic (and I do mean basic) needs should be met. But nothing is completely free - - people have to have value - - "that which is not earned has no value". In a government community - - you either work an outside job - - or your doing child care - - mowing the grass - - cooking - etc. Everyone works.

However - - - You can not deny those who are ambitious and want a better life. There must be different layers people can attain. You can't stop someone who is willing to work hard to attain the life they want.

Besides - - these go-getters are the ones who keep things going. They are the leaders - - just because of their drive and abilities.

reply to post by Annee

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We have a representative government with a market economy. Capitalism is a outcrop of market economies.

However - - - You can not deny those who are ambitious and want a better life. There must be different layers people can attain. You can't stop someone who is willing to work hard to attain the life they want.

IMO, corporations, and those obsessed with wealth do just that, try to deny people from having a better life, ambitious hard working people, who get screwed by the those willing to do anything to obtain great wealth.

IMO it doesn't take so much ambition to succeed,as it takes the willingness to take advantage of others when the situation presents itself. The way to accumulate wealth is to go along with the system, and take advantage when the opportunity presents itself. Sure it takes ambition, but not as much ambition as working to make this a better world.

That is the biggest problem over the last thirty years, under the con of the free market, people have gotten away with lying, cheating, and stealing for a living.

And they have deprived honest hard working people of the wealth they should have coming to them.

Forget the Obama cheer squad.....vote on Obama? Hardly, he has done more then Bush in destroying the rights of Americans.

NDAA, Patriot Act continuation.

Just take a look at this video





He has put his Goldman Sachs cronies in the Treasury, and now he has placed RIAA lawyers in the Justice Department. Obama is SOOO CORRUPT it isn't funny. The usual suspects would like you to believe Obama is for the people, don't fall for that crap tactic - they want you to believe that. Its a trap.

reply to post by Annee

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Having power and wealth is not the same as being a leader.. Accumulation of wealth and power is just as often a barrier to progress.

I have the same right as everyone else to give my perspective of a better world. Who are you to deny me of my opinion?

reply to post by MidnightTide

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If Andrew Jackson was kicking the dog snot out of Ronald Reagan for selling our country down the river to the bankers, that would be an honest painting. Along with most of the rest of the former presidents kicking the snot out of the two Bushes, with Calvin Coolidge cowering off to the side.

The free market is just repackaged communism, and free market economics has done what our nations founding fathers opposed the most.

What do repubs offer up? A lawyer for bankers, who wants to sell the rest of the nation to the ICBers.

reply to post by poet1b

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Care to comment about Obama then?

Yep, he is as bad as Bush - as bad as most of the presidents once they started selling out. I will freely admit that free reign capitalism doesn't work, neither does socialism / communism or whatever they are calling it these days - and no I don't have the solution....wouldn't be posting on here if I did.

reply to post by MidnightTide

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Obama inherited a problem created by almost thirty years of efforts to create such a things as a free market, which turned our nations power over to the ICBs.

This isn't a problem Obama can easily fix, and from what I see, his power is very limited. As far as I can see, Obama is making a legitimate attempt towards reform, and no repub candidate, including RP, will be making that effort.

reply to post by poet1b

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I don't see it that way, yes he inherited a lot of crap, but imo, he is just following the same patterns of prior presidents. Therefore he is part of the problem.

I can only hope people have seen beyond the HOPE and CHANGE catch phrases. The only word I have for Obama is status quo.

reply to post by MidnightTide

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Obama has pushed banking reform, and cutting taxes for the middle class while raising taxes on the most wealthy, which should happen.

He certainly isn't using the same game plan repubs want to pursue. That is obvious to anyone who takes the time to look at what is going on. There is a reason free market preaching repubs hate Obama.

If Obama was doing what repubs wanted, you wouldn't see the obvious hate for Obama.

reply to post by poet1b

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The problem is I see Obama's game plan and the Republican game plan end up at the same spot - we are all to be sold out to higher interest groups. Let me know when Obama starts taking care of the mess on Wall Street, lets see some CEOs of Goldman get arrested. Lets see some true laws to prevent derivatives speculation, lets see Obama stop corporations from shipping jobs overseas, lets see Obama try to reign back the public sector and the unions.

Lets see Obama stop surrounding himself with those who are throwing America into the abyss.....and yes, I know, the Republicans aren't any better (but I will say they are a little more apparent in their treachery - they want more tax breaks for the rich and actively support the military industrial complex and big corporations)

reply to post by MidnightTide

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You really need to start looking for new sources of information, or at least try to get better informed.

The Obama admin has in fact been very actively investigating fraudulent activities that lead to the mortgage crisis, and has been consistently tracking down those who were a part of this widespread criminal activity.

dealbook.nytimes.com...

If Mitt gets into office, you can bet he will shut down these investigations, just as the GW admin refused to do their job in preventing white collar fraud. Obama is also kicking more illegal immigrants out than any admin has ever done.

You might want to do some of your own research, and wake up to the how much disinformation has been pumped into your head.

reply to post by NoJoker13

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I see you live in New Bedford...is that Massachusetts? I used to live there (Worcester), and the only thing that the majority people in that state want to see is a Republican fail. No matter where you are there, Republicans are the enemy. I used to believe this. The state just pumps liberalism into the media and everything you see and do. There is no way to avoid it.

When I moved to Arizona, I saw the other side of the spectrum, and cannot say that I miss the Democratic liberal system telling me how I should live my life. Now, I am not saying that I am republican, because I am not...however, it is nice not to have one side dominating daily life here.

reply to post by Ancient Champion

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I would fall on the other side of that spectrum. Although, I guess I equally dislike both sides...but the Democratic side is the more evil of the two IMO.

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