3-4 years later, after being strongly anti-Obama....I will be voting for him for a second term.

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Do you really think it matters who is president? The powerful lobbyists and special interest groups pull all the strings and once in a while they throw us a bone. I don't care who you put in the office the political landscape is so diviided I don't think they could even agree at what color the sky is.

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And you are in total denial. Ron Paul will never win-EVER. The GOP will not allow it and you will be sitting here ins 2016 pushing the same dream.

Mitt Romney will be the GOP crown prince and 90% of the people claiming they want Ron Paul will vote for him. He will be the same as Obama and ATS will hate him within a week if he wins.

I suspect this will be a repeat of 2000 with one state being too close to call and the SCOTUS handing the election to the GOP.

Obama and anyone who supports the Federal Reserve banking system is one of the greatest culprits in the disparity between the poor and the rich within this country.

The math is quite simple.
Printing money + bailouts = money transferred from the middle and lower classes to the upper echelon. Why?

Bailouts = money directly circulated through corporations and banks.

Inflation = devaluing the dollar and increasing the cost of food and gas. Also, this results in the decrease in the value of every human beings wages. Who does this hurt more than anyone else? It hurts those who rely on food, transportation, and power as a central portion of their budget - thus, the middle and lower classes. Food prices+gas prices have increased well over 14% since the printing presses have been fired up. Simply, this is a 14%+ tax on the lower and middle classes directly while the budgets of the upper class can absorb cost increases without suffering. Also note that the corporations and banks, through the increase of money printing, get first access to this money as it is pumped into their stocks and bonds for the purpose of pumping the market so they can see profits.

Don't give me this, "I've bought into the Obama class warfare mantra because I'm unable to do very simple math for myself and watch where the actual transfer of wealth is coming from." Yes, the Republics have supported Fed action in the past and in my mind financial collapse might be slightly better than WWIII but don't you dare argue that the disparity is the fault of the republicans when over regulation has forced our manufacturing overseas and Federal Reserve policy has transferred trillions (yes, trillions) from the poor and middle class to the upper elite.

reply to post by David9176
I don't watch the debates anylonger, if there is anything worse then the Obama circus its the GOP debates. I truely think it is ment to be that way.

The idea that the political partys of America can't come up with people any better then Obama, Hillery, Bush or the GOP clown fest reveals volumes as to what America has become. Hell look at what Slick Willie makes on the speaking circuit after having been impeached. There is no level of shame or self respect any longer in American government and also a very large and growing part of the population.

The citizens of this country, left, right or middle will pay the price and the progressive liberal/socialist and communist will celebrate in there success in destorying another country.

Bottom line - an organized party that can stand there and tell me that if I fall down, there should not be anyone to help me back up on my feet again is not a party that I would ever support. If that party has proven that they will rush to bail out the predators who just knocked me down (example - the 2008 Bush/Paulson GOP-structured TARP program) then I'm sure that I won't be supporting that party.

It's as simple as that.

Yes, Obama hasn't been able to defeat the GOP and their corporate owners, and has had to knuckle under at times over the last 3 years (like the rest of us) but he's not the guy who's been doing the Treasury raids. He's not the guy who's been slamming us up against the wall. He's not the guy who's been hoarding over 2.5 trillion dollars and allowing the rest of us to fight each other over minimum wage service industry jobs, after ripping apart our future by turning our entire economy into a high-stakes gambling casino that's funded on the backs of every wage earning tax payer in this country. He's the guy who's being attacked by the guys that have been running our nation into the ground.

Listen up. You pay-per-post forum marketing subcontractors need to really look at who you're defending here. Those guys who pay for your posts are fighting to screw you over. You aren't rich or you wouldn't be on this board working for 50 cents a post. You need to start fighting for your own future and the future of your loved ones. Get your focus off the trough the corporates placed in front of you and start fighting for your dignity as a human being who won't be hoodwinked by the same predators who put you in this position where posting obvious nonsense on an Internet forum is the only job you can get. It sucks to be broke and scared, but working for them won't do anything for you but prolong the misery they have in store for you and for the rest of us. They're going to crash and burn eventually. They always do in the end. If you stay with them, then you will too. That doesn't have to happen for you. You can choose to disengage yourself.

The choice is easy when you eliminate the fear and the anger that the corporate media has fueled with its marketing campaign against "change". Obama can't change anything on his own, but any one of the GOP leaders that exists right now is devoted to erasing all possibility of change as soon as possible. We don't have much of a chance of freeing ourselves from corporate rule with Obama, but we have no chance whatsoever with one of the GOP candidates. The choice, like I said, is easy.

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I always thought that you were in the tank for Obama and his policies.

Seriously, don't by his crap just because he pulled troops out of Iraq. He's got other plans in Central Africa and out the The Horn for our Spec. Ops troops. Obama spells trouble in 10 foreign languages.

Printing money + bailouts = money transferred from the middle and lower classes to the upper echelon.

reply to post by Bugman82


Yes, isn't that quite amazing how people who support Obama say they think his redistribution policies are fine and they get all mad when we talk about it, but then they think that they deserve something from the corporations. It's a two way street.
Either you are for redistribution or you are against it.

Oh yes and I agree with your post and it was well written in my opinion.

Originally posted by NorEaster

No. They've lied way too many times over the past 10 years or so for me to ever even consider what they have to say about anything anymore. Anyone can promise anything.

I watched Obama try to get a center-right DNC controlled Congress to do anything that the DNC has presented as its own party platform, and it was infuriating. The POTUS has no real power over the Senate and isn't even noticed by members of the House, and the majority of Obama's 1st term effort was legislative - which means that he never really had the legal power to force any of his policies through on his own. His own party "yesed" him to death over anything that didn't involve giving money to banks, and let all the stuff he wanted to change either die on the vine or they mangled it in subcommittees until it was just another handout to the corporates who control both houses of Congress. Anyone who flatly states that Obama never delivered on his campaign promises so he's a liar are (chose one) politically motivated to make that claim, or are too ignorant of how stuff gets done to understand that the whole depraved spectacle was on display for all to see throughout 2009 and 2010, and that he got done what he could get done, and with no help from the Senate at all.

Wow. This is by far the most intelligent and well-thought-out political post I have seen - not only on this thread, but on this entire website. I have thought about what you have said, and I can see that you are 100 percent right.

I voted for Obama last time based on his campaign platform, and was disappointed at what didn't get done. Because of what you have posted, I am now convinced to vote for him again, even if I know the reality of the insurmountable odds he faces. I want to show Obama that I support his efforts, even if he can't succeed.

Thanks for taking the time to write your post. It has affected me deeply.

Originally posted by antonia
reply to post by TupacShakur

 

And you are in total denial. Ron Paul will never win-EVER. The GOP will not allow it and you will be sitting here ins 2016 pushing the same dream.

Mitt Romney will be the GOP crown prince and 90% of the people claiming they want Ron Paul will vote for him. He will be the same as Obama and ATS will hate him within a week if he wins.

I suspect this will be a repeat of 2000 with one state being too close to call and the SCOTUS handing the election to the GOP.

There are alot more than just the GOP that don't want Paul in. The mainstream media as an extension of the military industrial complex for example.

John King and his wife Dana Bash have a serious grudge against him, and are doing everything they can to smear him.

I seriously just want to give this idiot a piece of my mind. Doing a story on someone you have a personal grudge against isn't fair and unbiased journalism.

reply to post by NorEaster

Bottom line - an organized party that can stand there and tell me that if I fall down, there should not be anyone to help me back up on my feet again is not a party that I would ever support

Would you support an organized party that tells corporations they have to stand on their own two feet without taxpayer help? That would be farms too don't forget, because we have been doing farm subsidies for a very long time.

An agricultural subsidy is a governmental subsidy paid to farmers and agribusinesses to supplement their income, manage the supply of agricultural commodities, and influence the cost and supply of such commodities. Examples of such commodities include wheat, feed grains (grain used as fodder, such as maize or corn, sorghum, barley, and oats), cotton, milk, rice, peanuts, sugar, tobacco, and oilseeds such as soybeans.

The United States currently pays around $20 billion per year to farmers in direct subsidies as "farm income stabilization"[9][10][11] via U.S. farm bills. These bills pre-date the economic turmoil of the Great Depression with the 1922 Grain Futures Act, the 1929 Agricultural Marketing Act and the 1933 Agricultural Adjustment Act creating a tradition of government support.

In 2010, the EU spent €57 billion on agricultural development, of which €39 billion was spent on direct subsidies.[1] Agricultural and fisheries subsidies form over 40% of the EU budget.[

en.wikipedia.org...

reply to post by David9176

Wow. You sound like me. Been very Anti-Obama ... then he GOP Candidates showed up. I'll be voting straigt Dem, including Obama, and I've never even voted Dem ever. Hope my head doesn't explode.

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I'm going to be voting for Ron Paul, and that is only because there is that slight chance changes might actually happen. Then again nothing could change just like Obama but if Ron Paul wasn't running I wouldn't vote at all, it appears that in the next years of my life I will never be voting ever again unless some miracle person drops from the heavens.

Ron Paul or bust baby!



in it to win it, maybe he will swoop on kucinich or ventura as his running mate and booya, there is your freedom, there is your win.

David,

I am not sure what your logic process is, but let me point out a major contradiction in your post. You point out a massive deficit and in the next paragraph you mention stable economy.

I am not sure exactly what country your in, but the USA currently is far from economically stable. The performance of the current administration and past 3 administrations were disgustingly self-serving.

If this is the attitude of the general populace of the USA, then not many people have come to the realization that almost everyone in our US political system is bought, and paid for by powerful lobbyists.

It's your choice, to believe that a president we'll change or make a difference in the second term, but nothing will change unless everyone has a change in their mindset.

One person cannot change this country, nor run it. Everyone has to.

Originally posted by David9176

I understand that our deficit sits at 15 trillion. I understand it has grown since he has came into office. Quite frankly, I BELIEVE that there is no way he could simply slash spending...or even raise taxes on the wealthiest...while the economy was in a tailspin. Some drastic measures had to be taken.....many of which i was COMPLETELY AGAINST.

It's going to be a crazy year....I'm actually predicting an easy victory...should the economy at least remain stable. Usually Presidents do their major policies in their second term.....they have nothing to lose and can try to do far more bolder things than in their first term.

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It's like that joke:

"A man walks into a bar, which is really silly because he walked into the same bar yesterday and got a concussion."

One has to be mighty insane to want this administration to continue.

He did not bring the troops home. We were told to leave that place. Bringing the troops home would mean there's nobody over in the middle east. No Afgh, no Pak, no Libya, no Kuwait, no Saudi, no coast of Iran, no Israel, nowhere overthere would equate bringing the troops home.
Pulling them from one place and sending to another does not equate bringing the troops home.

Wake the frakk up.

Originally posted by Realtruth
David,

I am not sure what your logic process is, but let me point out a major contradiction in your post. You point out a massive deficit and in the next paragraph you mention stable economy.

I am not sure exactly what country your in, but the USA currently is far from economically stable. The performance of the current administration and past 3 administrations were disgustingly self-serving.

If this is the attitude of the general populace of the USA, then not many people have come to the realization that almost everyone in our US political system is bought, and paid for by powerful lobbyists.

It's your choice, to believe that a president we'll change or make a difference in the second term, but nothing will change unless everyone has a change in their mindset.

One person cannot change this country, nor run it. Everyone has to.

Originally posted by David9176

I understand that our deficit sits at 15 trillion. I understand it has grown since he has came into office. Quite frankly, I BELIEVE that there is no way he could simply slash spending...or even raise taxes on the wealthiest...while the economy was in a tailspin. Some drastic measures had to be taken.....many of which i was COMPLETELY AGAINST.

It's going to be a crazy year....I'm actually predicting an easy victory...should the economy at least remain stable. Usually Presidents do their major policies in their second term.....they have nothing to lose and can try to do far more bolder things than in their first term.

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edit on 28-1-2012 by Realtruth because: (no reason given)

there is one guy you can vote for and abolish the federal reserve banking system, do that and you will save HUmanity from slavery.

there is no other option in my mind, because anything else is same old, same old

Voting for Obama is throwing your vote away, regardless of whether he is elected or not. You will get nothing for your effort. You are spending hard earned money driving to the voting booth, to put another bullet in the gun that will be pointed toward you someday.
It is so pathetic that some people have the intelligence to write a paragraph, but yet cannot see what should be so painfully obvious.
Depressing to say the least.

I'd rather live in a bankrupt holy empire than a bankrupt socialist union I guess.

I'd rather have people in power that have a fear and respect for God vs those that would have us pay all-homage to the mighty State.

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Obama has sent more troops to war than any President in recent history. He has gone back on every promise he made while campaining for President in 2007-2008. We may not get someone better but we can't get worse.

Originally posted by The Sword
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As long as Obama has hawks like Ziggy advising him, he's going to toe the line on foreign policy. We know that the Israel lobby controls our foreign policy whether we like it or not.

They will never stop until every country in the Middle East is a McDemocracy.

Totally true.