It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.
Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.
Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.
Originally posted by zigoapex
reply to post by arbiture
it's good to see people like you are still alive and kicking, and I hope many more follow your path.
You can look at all of my old threads....there are many. this was no instant change. This happened over a long period of time.
Want to know why my opinions change?
Not long after I first starting posting here...right when the economy began to collapse...I found out I was having a daughter. I started to freak as I wondered what was going to happen with a kid on the way...also knew absolutely nothing about politics.
I was raised Republican...my old man votes R down the line every time.
Originally posted by filosophia
I will be voting for obama because he killed bin laden...oh wait, this isnt yahoo comment section...
I dont think it matters much who gets elected, afterall wasnt the fact that Obama got elected but couldnt change anything proof the system is rigged? I mean he was the first (half) black president in history besides bill clinton, he promised change, he came off the collapse of the evil republicans, and besides slightly different rhetoric he is nothing different from a bush third term, except maybe more debt. OP says at least we are holding it together. I always thought Americans were proud of their exceptionalism, I guess now we are at least proud to not be labeled a third world dictatorship...for now.
This reminds me of the GOP argument of well, all the candidates suck but we have to vote for one, so long as it isnt ron paul. Sounds like a defeatist attitude to me.
Originally posted by sonnny1
reply to post by David9176
Because the others are Evil,you will be voting for the current Evil.
If there are things you ONCE were "STRONGLY STRONGLY" against,and now you are flip-flopping on your own issues,then you are actually NO better then those who are in office. MHO. Compromise comes with a price.
Below comment by arbiture:
If I may ask a question sir. Why is it "wrong" to change ones views about a candidate or policy? If someone has taken an honest look at the person and the issues, and change their mind because they know now more then they did (or could have) about someone then they did say before a track record, that to me says someone actually looks and listens as events unfold and can if they are honest with them selves change their opinion about someone. A great example is a very good friend of mine. He was a "pathological" supporter of Obama when he ran and was among the tightly squeezed masses crammed on the mall during the swearing in, and my friends biggest complaint was not enough port-potties for what was it 500,000? Yikes. Despite the fact he got to know some people he was crushed up next to far more then he wanted to, he was one of the unwashed multitudes singing kumbia or whatever the hell they sang (I remember the national anthem, but you get my drift) with a lot of teary eyed people at that time.
Since that time he felt Obama did NOT live up to his expectations, and felt he was soft on a number of issues that mattered to him and he was and is frankly pissed. I won't go so far as to say he will vote for any of the Republicans unless maybe its Ron Paul and I think there's a better chance of Newt getting to the moon himself personally before November then Dr. Paul getting the nomination let alone elected (hey I'd pay his fare IF Newt went to the moon and stayed there but thats another issue anyway). My friend is not happy with Obama and he was a major cult-like groupie before, and volunteered for his campaign, going door to door in a Minnesota winter. That means your a true believer or homeless but its a serious effort none the less. My friend went door to door in his all terrain wheel chair (w/snow tires) so this dude has passion. Now he is very angry with some of Obama's views on some things he's done.
None the less I respect my friend who changed his mind about Obama because he did so on the issues. I don't think he's in any way "wishy-washy"but has a brain and changed his mind based on Obamas actions. Sorry by the way I "walked over" part of your post but it's about 04:00 here and its been a long day. So I rewrote your last line w/in your post above as a courtesy. Sorry about that, your original comments in "" ""below.
"Compromise comes with a price."
edit on 27-1-2012 by sonnny1 because: (no reason given)
Dude are you retarded or something? RP wont win if everyone gives up hope in him and votes for Obama. I cannot believe what I am reading on this thread...it's like a bunch of sheep admitting their defeat to the puppet master.
I'll probably vote for Obama (again) as well. Because like you said, it's unlikely that Ron Paul will get the nomination.
He's an old geezer ready to cark it at any moment, OH NO!!! Have you ever done ANY research into the history of American presidents? It seems Americans have forgotten that there once was a time when people understood that electing the older candidate wise a choice, because that candidate has the most life experience and in fact is the wisest. And Ron Paul is the wisest candidate by leaps and bounds.
Have any of RP's supporters stopped to consider the fact that he's the oldest presidential candidate? What happens if he passes after he's elected?
Besides he actually has more solid solutions to existing problems then any of the Republicans, Paul included. Whereas the Reps repeat the same old rhetoric Obama actually takes an offensive position against the tax evading millionaires, the bail-outs and the deregulated financial system.