MI Blue Cross to limit painkillers, page
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reply posted on 27-1-2012 @ 02:08 PM by MJZoo
reply to post by chiefsmom



It's legal because most pain killers are schedule 2 or 3 narcotics.



reply posted on 27-1-2012 @ 02:38 PM by chiefsmom
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See, I thought that with all the regulations and "watching" of doctors, the government was more in control of this type of thing, but I guess the Insurance companies can pretty much just do what they want.

For some reason, this just seem wrong. Maybe it's just me.


reply posted on 27-1-2012 @ 03:00 PM by chiefsmom
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I feel the same way you do.
What bothers me, is this is not a new law or regulation. This is just the health insurance company doing whatever they want.
Apparently this goes into effect in February, so they aren't giving much time with this info either.


reply posted on 27-1-2012 @ 03:18 PM by Asktheanimals
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Yeah, it's messed up situation. The people who need pain meds are the last ones to be considered when it comes to things like this. It seems to be more about protecting doctors, the insurance companies or about trying to stop the illegal sales of them. The patient comes last, period.
Here in the states they inflate the overdose figures to help justify the war on drugs. Doctors are getting away from pain management because they're afraid the DEA will take away their license. This typically means that pain is either ignored or under treated and the patient is the one that suffers.
What this looks like is just that insurance will only pay for so many pills per month, doctors can prescribe more but you'll have to pay for out of pocket.
Not so bad unless you're on an expensive pain med - a one month supply of synthetic morphine can run you $800 - Impossible for most and definitely if someone is on disability.


reply posted on 27-1-2012 @ 03:32 PM by VforVendettea
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Blue cross started out as a fund to treat the injured warhorses in WWI and it seems that they still view their patients as dumb animals.

Can they do it? Of course they can. The insurance industry doesn't actually care if you are in pain as long as they keep getting the premiums for your coverage.
Now be quiet and sign the premium check or they might just decide to do a equine denerving operation rather than give you painkillers so you can still be worked to death.


reply posted on 27-1-2012 @ 04:55 PM by webpirate
Originally posted by Pervius
Oxycodone (oxycontin) WAS a good drug for people with cancer eating them alive. The Federal Government forced Purdue Pharma to reformulate that drug and the new 'formula' hit the US market in the 4th quarter 2010. It doesn't work anymore.

Supposedly the Federal Govt said "4 million americans were illegall getting the drug, chopping it up and snorting it"...which required them to "reformulate it". Make it weaker.


This is actually partially correct. The oxycontin...which is the extended release version of oxycodeine was changed. It was also mixed with Tylenol. Occasionally aspirin or an NSAID, but because it came in higher doses people were indeed chopping it up and thus getting a higher dose faster.

Opioids work by binding with pain receptors in the brain, preventing the pain signals from binding with them. Tylenol, or acetaminophen, works by actually "turning off" pain receptors. So it "hopefully" takes less of a opioid to work. Basically there are less pain receptors available for the narcotic to bind with.

However, most instant release narcotic pain meds are 5-10mg of the drug depending on whether it's hydrocodone or oxycodone. Oxy is slightly stronger so it takes a little less. The extended release oxycontin is usually 20mg-100 mg...so you can see how devising a method to make it instant release would be considered a benefit by some people. BUT...again...it was mixed with Tylenol. So..people were also getting a huge immediate dose of Tylenol.....Not good.

So..they basically took the Tylenol out of the extended release...and lowered the dose that's allowed in the instant release. Personally..there's a drug called narcan..or naloxone that's an opioid antagonist. It reverses the effects almost immediately. It's my opinion they could add 2 mg or so of Narcan to the extended release opioid, also making the narcan extended. Basically useless. But...if chopped up...getting the full 2 mg dose of the narcan even with 60 mg of oxycodone would prevent that high and stop this abuse. And,..it is being done..but only a few pharmaceutical companies do it to just a few products.

A normal dose for treatment of acute pain is say 4.5 mg of Percocet...or oxycodone. 1 or 2 pills every 4-6 hours. A good number is usually 20 or so. Insurance companies have long prevented early refils of a drug. So if you came back in 2 days for a refill...or with a new script...they wouldn't fill it cause the math doesn't work out there. That makes sense.

But if they tried to say....unless it's a terminal cancer patient any patient is limited to say 25 or 30 pills a month. That's insane. I just had back surgery. I was written a script for 7.5mg of oxycodone 1 or 2 every 4-6 hours. But was given 120 at a time. Legally you can't refill this script, but you can get another in a reasonable amount of time. But this is the kind of thing I'm assuming this law is trying to regulate. I hate taking these meds. For many reasons. But....I needed what I was given.

For someone who isn't a medical professional to decide I don't need that much...well...that's just wrong. But we see it in other things too insurance companies do....like limit the number of days needed for a hospital stay based on what your illness was. Not everyone recovers the same. Some take longer. Some less. That's a medical decision. Insurance companies are...please understand this is sarcasm and I am not condoning this at all...but insurance companies acting like this are reasons people go on shooting sprees.

OK...My rant is now over.

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