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Muslim couple 'murdered their three daughters in honour killings' - because they wanted to cut off

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posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 04:28 PM

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by dadgad
I am going to delve deeper into the history of Muslim fundamentalism, because it's becoming more and more clear to me that it is actually the result of Western(as well as communists) policies that have led to this.

Islam has always been fundamentalist.

While short sighted policies such as the US supporting the Taliban in Afghanistan in the 1980s against the USSR have helped it to grow again, one major factor in the resurgence of militant Islam is the demise of Western colonialism.

Islam has always had powerful fundamentalist and violent wings.

Western administrations are simply no longer suppressing violent Islamic organisations before they can grow strong in Islamic countries.

Well perhaps you're right. These appear to be the characteristics of religion. Christianity not so long was the most brutal, oppressive, anti-gay, violent and murderous ideology to ever exist on this planet. Much more then Muslim fundamentalism is today. (total genocide of American-Natives for example)

The West has contributed tremendously to cultural and social back drops in many parts of the world. Take Iran. Under Mossadegh democratically elected who promoted secular politics Iran was well on its way to become a secular democratic society. And look what Britain and the US did. Practically wrecked it all for their own selfish interest.

I hate this angry finger pointed at the evil Iranians. Where is our share of responsibility. Why aren't people openly discussing our role and play in this part. We are all so stupid.

Anyway, i'm derailing the topic.
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posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 04:59 PM
reply to post by Biliverdin

I think the Texas mother killed her children because her brain was poisoned with dangerous pharmaceuticals.

posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 05:11 PM
Pretty young girls like that taken away far too young, and why??? Because their father and brother wanted them to live a life of their choosing. That's pretty sad when you have to hide things from your family. These bozos take that damn religion too seriously. Killing in the name of God? never could quite understand that, although if you have ever read the bible of any Abrahamic religion, that God is a vengeful one.

posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 05:19 PM

Originally posted by avatard
Reminds me of the christian woman that drowned her kids in the car by driving it into a lake...and then she said god told her to do it....

Are you suggesting that these three people are all psychotic?

posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 05:28 PM

Originally posted by vogon42
If its not religion, its certainly some family values that from my perspective are WAY off balance.
It's not religion, it's their interpretation of their culture.

Apparently you didn't read my previous post. Honour killings are relatively common from Portugal to Afghanistan, and, because of their Iberian influences, in South and Central Americas.

In these cultures, some people have an interpretation of honour that is more like shame of being pointed as the father/mother/brother/whatever of someone that acts in what they consider a shameful way, someone whose acts made their family look bad in the eyes of the neighbours and friends.

PS: In Portugal we do not have a special name like "honour killing" for it, as far as I remember.
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posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 05:37 PM

Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL

Muslim couple 'murdered their three daughters in honour killings' - because they wanted to cut off 'the diseased limb of their family tree' Read more:

A couple and their son accused of the quadruple honour killings of half of their family took the decision to commit murder in order to cut off 'the diseased limb on their family tree'.

Jurors in Ontario, Canada, were told how Afghan-born Mohammad Shafia, 58, his wife Tooba Yahya, 42, and their son Hamed, 21, were responsible for planning and carrying out the murders of four family members.

In closing statements to the court in Ontario prosecutor Laurie Lacelle urged the jury to find all three guilty of killing Shafia and Yahya's three teenage daughters and his 'other' wife from a po
(visit the link for the full news article)

I read the Daily Mail article, and I am bothered that I could not read much of anything mentioning physical evidence. The motive seems very strong. The eyewitness statements of the father saying he wanted the daughters and first wife killed are very incriminating. I wish there was physical evidence like skin marks and abrasions on the victims' necks. There doesn't seem to be an apparent murder weapon like a rope or a belt to strangle the victims. It would be nice if one of the accused had turned into a prosecution witness, but that did not happen. Was there any foreign skin under the finger nails of the victims? Apparently not. We have the emails of the victims showing that they were in fear for their lives. The ladies could have been killed somewhere else. It is true that they the ladies did seem to struggle to get out of the car. Were they poisoned? I don't know. But on the other hand there were signs of damage to both cars, the Nissan and the Lexus, near where the Nissan was pushed into the water. The police theorized that the damage was correspondent enough to both cars to make it look like the Nissan was pushed by the Lexus. Of course the defense could argue that the Lexus got that damage independent to what happened to the Nissan. I think I would have done a gut check and then voted the husband, wife and son guilty.

posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 05:43 PM
reply to post by artfuldodger

There were smashed pieces of the light from the Mercedes at the scene. They also lied about being at the scene then later admitted to being there. There is some pretty damning wiretap evidence against them too. IMO there is a lot of evidence, regrettably none of the evidence makes this an easy slam dunk though.

posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 06:14 PM

Originally posted by grey580

Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
reply to post by grey580

There is plenty of outrage, what do you want every muslim on earth to send you a postcard?

I don't think I have enough space to store them all.
But yeah. How about a little more outrage.

How many of these have we seen in the news and when do we draw the line and say this sort of thing is unacceptable.
You wanna kill your kids go do it in another country.

At first I thought you were outraged at the killings of these women, but it's not so much that the tragic murders happened it's that they happened in your country? Regardless, if your info is correct and you live in Miami then murders didn't happen in your country anyway--they happened in Canada, dipwad. So it should be all cool with you.

posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 07:45 PM

Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL

First of all, this is NOT ISLAM. In Islam no right is given to kill anyone except in self defense or in a war when you are being attacked. These murderers used their religion as an excuse to perpetrate this horrific crime.

You are overlooking the fact that in the parent's eyes it was probably considered self-defence (defending the honour of their religion). This is a massive problem in Islam - defining self-defence when perpetrating murder.

posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 08:03 PM
This is simply state sanctioned religious fundamentalism run amok. Too bad the Americans who most need to heed this warning are the ones too busy being bigots to realize they're the most at risk of following in these footsteps.

posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 08:29 PM

Originally posted by rebellender

Originally posted by grey580
reply to post by THE_PROFESSIONAL

Where's the outrage? Where's the condemnation?
This is becoming more and more the norm in Islam lately.

When only the crazies are talking we have a problem.

it has been Islam always...woman are only for the purpose of bearing sons. Daughters only is an abomination.
True story...ask anybody thats been over there.
What is happening here is the Muslim comes to America and doesn't come to live the American way. They have their communities here and well they live in their laws not ours.
By no means am I saying they all are that way but I bet I have a solid point.

You are quite right with Muslims coming to western countries, and others that may have different customs and social etiquette (like Japan for example) but are still mature civilized societies who have civil rights and dignity&respect for all as the current standard. But many Muslim women have a hell of a hard time even after going to another country which finds the "value and rights of" women often pressured to "conform and submit" by the Muslim Brotherhood. These guys can be worse then the mafia. Hell they ARE in how they often preasure women living in predominantly non-Muslim countries very much a REAL "mafia" Its appalling. I know because I have Muslim friends and people I sometimes do business with from Muslim countries who are in many cases devout, practicing Muslims who have told me about this and its not isolated to one country.

Case in point. I had a dear friend (who passed away in 2004 due to cancer) who came to the US and was not interested in re-marrying. She had enough with her former husband who she even said was decent enough, but she divorced him and started her own business. She was a superb business women by the way and I helped her set up her own retail store, something she always wanted to do. She did all the work but just needed some advice on the process (in effect paper work) of starting up a small business locally. She did so with a small loan from me, and I got her in touch with my business lawyers and accountant.

After her shop opened I dropped in to congratulate her, I knew how hard she busted her back to get it going . Now her kids own the store. But the point was when I first dropped in, there were several (large) guys yelling at her, and though I don't speak Arabic know a threat in any language. They saw me and they just left. Believe me I'm not in any way intimidating in manner or at 130 pounds in appearance. She was noticeably upset and I asked her who the hell were those bastards, and what was their problem. That was my introduction to the Muslim brotherhood.

She was at first hesitant to tell me but finally told me they did not approve of a women being divorced unless of course its the guy who wants to be, in her case she wanted out of her marriage. But even worse they were furious that any "good Muslim" women would dare have her own business! I was told many women she knew were harassed, and intimidated by this mafia if they did anything they did not approve of. By the way she would not leave her house unless dressed head-to-toe in traditional garb because she wanted to dress in the traditional manner because of her own faith.

I suggested she take out a restraining order against the guys who did this which she did. Not just that but since this happened several times I had my lawyer represent her in filing a civil suit for them causing significant emotional stress, not to mention her store had been vandalized. After that I ask her if I could place surveillance cameras on the outside and inside of her shop, and also installed a security system there and for her home (a very good one, the kind I have) just in case.

Well guess what? The cameras caught the bastards vandalizing her store with wonderful close-ups. There also IR&low light capable, so much so you could tell who had shaved and how long ago. They were arrested, and seeing the tapes pleaded no contest. They paid not just to repair the damage to her shop, but for emotional stress (which was serious) I must applaud the judge for putting the fear of God into them. Revenge is a dish its said best served cold, but its nice to have an abuser discover to their shock their not wearing any pants. Justice is so sweet. Thats my experience albeit indirectly with the Muslim brotherhood.

posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 08:51 PM

Originally posted by Jakes51
Nuts come from all walks. What difference does it make if a murder is committed by a Muslim, Jew, Christian, or any other form of moniker established by society? Murder is murder! There is no rationale or reasoning behind it. In the case of the story, there is especially no "honor," in it!

The alleged culprits not only dishonored themselves, but their faith as well. If found guilty by the jury, lock them away for the rest of their days. May the victims rest in peace. As I said earlier, murder is murder. A lot of it is going around lately, and people from all walks of life participate in it.

Muslims have something everyone wants

posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 08:55 PM
reply to post by arbiture

We have some of these in our city as well.

The business owner at one of them does an excellent job of handling them, but what they are is apparent. It clearly distresses her a bit when they look on the female kafir in the store with disgust. Most of them aren't quite so obvious - but a few of them at the right time of the day is like dropping is like finding oneself having dropped into an Italian mobs dinner joint with half the politeness.

posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 09:13 PM
reply to post by Corruption Exposed

Can you find a copy of this tape?


posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 09:16 PM
reply to post by insaan

I don't think the RCMP would be allowed to leak this to the public. Perhaps it will be leaked once the trial is finished. Hearing the father say those things would anger me so I'm not sure if I would want to hear it.

posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 09:21 PM

Originally posted by Corruption Exposed
reply to post by insaan

I don't think the RCMP would be allowed to leak this to the public. Perhaps it will be leaked once the trial is finished. Hearing the father say those things would anger me so I'm not sure if I would want to hear it.

Do you speak Persian? Do you understand Afghan culture? Or Afghan reactionary behavior? The thing is, I do, that's why I'm so interested in this case and that's why I want to see the evidence. Too bad they won't publish it for the public view.

posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 09:41 PM
Oh I get it "honor killing" is the Muslim word for democracy

posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 09:51 PM
reply to post by insaan

There is a translator in the courtroom that produces these transcripts. These statements were made, I even have family members who attended the trial. There are mountains of evidence. People who say there is no evidence have not been following this trial.

posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 11:04 PM
The accused are innocent until proven guilty.

..And this case is SUBJUDICE.

posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 11:08 PM

Originally posted by vogon42
reply to post by longtermproject

Please go away.
We are trying to have a discussion here.

Your injecting christianity into it does not add anything to the thread, it only clouds it.

I would kindly go away if you would deny ignorance, and not enhance it.... I was part of the discussion.... your sad attempt at shying away from the truth hurts you I know.... shame as it is, had you or anyone else in here, attempting to belittle religion by saying that people who murder can be considered religious....

Sorry, but that is part of the discussion, and you sir, are trying to narrow the scope to help your poor point.

I said my piece, and with that I will leave you to it.... may the fail be with you always

Must I really show where, I was not the one to bring it up... I was only one of several who attempted to clarify the truth of the matter
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