Muslim couple 'murdered their three daughters in honour killings' - because they wanted to cut off

Originally posted by ManBehindTheMask

Originally posted by Bisman
damn. you rarely see half the faces of the woman from that region of the world.

they are some lookers ;D

These women were murdered by their family because of their religious beliefs

And your only response is how hot they were?

prime example of the conditioning this planet has gone through, people are numb to tragedy anymore........the human race is lost

Im convinced that if someone had a person infront of them put a gun to someones head and pull the trigger, a vast majority of people anymore wouldnt feel a damn thing.....


Disgusting

edit on 28-1-2012 by ManBehindTheMask because: (no reason given)

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and news like this are just as much the fear mongering propaganda our government wants us to hate muslims for.

some people see them as enemies, some like you see them as charity cases the world must pray over.

im sorry if i still see a beautiful girl. you would take offence to that wouldnt you?
wave your flag elsewhere.

reply to post by caf1550


Read on.
Sadly it has turned to sort of a religious argument.

IMHO I don't believe it is religious as much as a rather unbalanced family.

Perhaps cultural differences play into it a bit, but I cant seem to get a clear answer to that one.

Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
reply to post by SteveR

 

Back up your statements, show how I lied.

and when did you live in a Hard Line Muslim country
here is an answer:
every time an extremist Islam put a woman or a child between himself and a bullet while firing his AK-47,,, for starters

Added: No that wasn't a fair answer, You are correct by Law, but you are very wrong by Culture.
Very wrong by culture indeed. This is the stigma that will be argued by many men

Seriously what a strange story.

I was just reading the other that it has actually been Israel who assisted in the creation of Hamas(with a different outcome in mind though). I also read that the CIA in Iran (70's) was helping the rise of Muslim fundamentalists for some reason. In Afghanistan the US created the Mujahideen, which later led to the Taliban takeover.
I am going to delve deeper into the history of Muslim fundamentalism, because it's becoming more and more clear to me that it is actually the result of Western(as well as communists) policies that have led to this. Iran under Mossadegh for example was well on it's way to become a secular democracy. And the US/British interests destroyed it. Afghanistan had a king who was very liberal and influenced by Western ideals I read. And they destroyed it.

Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL

First of all, this is NOT ISLAM. In Islam no right is given to kill anyone except in self defense or in a war when you are being attacked.

Muslims carry out 91% of honour killings world wide

Although Sikhs and Hindus do sometimes commit such murders, honor killings, both worldwide and in the West, are mainly Muslim-on-Muslim crimes.

In this study, worldwide, 91 percent of perpetrators were Muslims.

In North America, most killers (84 percent) were Muslims, with only a few Sikhs and even fewer Hindus perpetrating honor killings; in Europe, Muslims comprised an even larger majority at 96 percent while Sikhs were a tiny percentage. In Muslim countries, obviously almost all the perpetrators were Muslims.

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Turkey grapples with spike in 'honor' killings

Turkey saw 1,000 honour killings in the first seven months of 2009. Honour killings in Turkey have increased 14 fold in the last 7 years.

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In the same period of time that there has been an explosion in honour killings, there has also been an upsurge in fundamentalist Islam in Turkey.

reply to post by Furbs


Sorry, did not intend to be taken that way.

My wife tells me I can seem a bit "brash" in my communication.....damn it, I guess she is right....AGAIN.

Really just wanted to point out that this is not one dude, its half of an entire family.

In my view, that sort of changes it from "dad is angry" to WTF?

reply to post by THE_PROFESSIONAL


i love your avatar

ron swanson is the man

but saying this is not islam is like saying the witch hunts werent catholic and the crusades werent religious based

If we think these murders are terrible, just wait until the Canadian government allows Muslims to live under Sharia law, and brutal killings such as these become common place! So far they have been granted all they ask of our government, and it's only a matter of time before they get their way and are granted the right to live under a system that places more value on the life of a maggot than it does that of a female! There are those Muslims who are quick to jump up and declare "This isn't Islam!", but seeing as how men are getting away with this crap back in their countries of origin, just what the hell is it? I'll never understand the logic of a religion that condones putting to death a child who has been brutally raped, because the sicko who did it tells the court that it was her own fault because she happened to look at him in a certain way!
In this case of the couple murdering their three daughters in what they said were 'honour killings', I'm sure that had the mother tried to stop the killings, she would have become a fourth victim!
How these Muslims choose to live in their own countries is something we have no control over, but when they come into my country then demand my government make changes to accomodate them and they get their way, there is something terribly wrong here! The reciting of the Lord's Prayer has been banned in schools, yet Muslim students have been given certain rooms in which they can recite their own daily prayers. If they don't want to live as Canadians, then they should go back to where they came from! Our fathers and grandfathers didn't fight and die in two world wars just so these people could have another country to take over. Muslims are taking over the world in ways that mostly go unnoticed, and sadly they are slowly winning
Is it too much to ask of immigrants that when they come to my country to start a new life, would they leave their old politics and whatever problems they had back in their countries of origin?

Originally posted by vogon42
Really just wanted to point out that this is not one dude, its half of an entire family.

In my view, that sort of changes it from "dad is angry" to WTF?

Often the extended family are involved in honour killings.

Turkish girl who was raped, murdered by her mother, father, brother and two uncles.

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15 year old Turkish girl was buried alive for talking to boys by her father and grandfather.

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Bomb threat delays 'honor' murder trial in Canada

Mohammed Shafia, 58; his wife, Tooba Mohammad Yahya, 42; and their son, Hamed, 21, are charged with four counts of first-degree murder in the deaths of Shafia's three teenage daughters and his first wife in his polygamous marriage.

In taking the stand, Shafia swore to tell the truth on the Quran and he again invoked the holy book to say Islam does not condone killing people to preserve a family's honor.

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The father is correct. The Koran doesn't invoke families to carry out honour killings.

Nonetheless, the catalyst for Muslim families to murder their children in honour killings is that the children are contravening the codes of behaviour prescribed in the Koran.

In other words, not living like a traditional Muslim.

91% of honour killings are carried out by Muslims.

reply to post by TXRabbit


Muslims are not Christian. Christians believe that Jesus is God's son from Heaven. Muslims say he was nothing but a man, & Muhammed is superior. You should look it up lest you don't mind offending Christians & Muslims. 'Thou shalt not kill' applies to Christians. It only applies to Muslims when it doesn't conflict with the Koran's 'Kill the infedels'... Like God couldn't kill anyone He chose himself... beautiful girls, very sad, no matter what their faith. Except it is blasphemous for the parents to claim God's involvement when it was their act that did it to their children who were given by God, as a gift to cherish..

reply to post by ollncasino


Wow, FTA
edition.cnn.com...

little Geeti was failing in school and calling social workers to get her out of a home in turmoil.

A 13 year old girl calling social workers, saying please take me out of here......dude, that family is jacked up.

Thanks for the link.

Originally posted by honestyblaze
Muslims are not Christian. Christians believe that Jesus is God's son from Heaven. Muslims say he was nothing but a man, & Muhammed is superior.

Sorry, wrong. Do some research on the Dome of the Rock. Screw it, I'll do it:

According to Islamic tradition, the rock is the spot from which Muhammad ascended to Heaven accompanied by the angel Gabriel. Further, Muhammad was taken here by Gabriel to pray with Abraham, Moses, and Jesus. After Muhammad's return, he called all who would believe him to join with him and be Muslim.

en.wikipedia.org...

Muslims see Jesus as another prophet.

Originally posted by dadgad
I am going to delve deeper into the history of Muslim fundamentalism, because it's becoming more and more clear to me that it is actually the result of Western(as well as communists) policies that have led to this.

Islam has always been fundamentalist.

While short sighted policies such as the US supporting the Taliban in Afghanistan in the 1980s against the USSR have helped it to grow again, one major factor in the resurgence of militant Islam is the demise of Western colonialism.

Islam has always had powerful fundamentalist and violent wings.

Western administrations are simply no longer suppressing violent Islamic organisations before they can grow strong in Islamic countries.

OK so FTA...

edition.cnn.com...

.it appears this is based on religion.

"I say to myself, you did well. Would they come back to life a hundred times, you should so the same again," he says. And in another played in court and translated from the Afghan language Dari, he says, "May the devil defecate on their on their graves! This is what a daughter should be? Would a daughter be such a whore?" Shafia and his lawyers tried to explain that his shocking words are traditional expressions in Dari that should not be translated literally.

In an interview with CNN, Mojab said that many times, honor crimes are calculated acts that involve more than one family member. "There is a very important difference between honor killing and violence against women in the form of domestic violence. It is plotted, it is premeditated." Mojab said. "What we need to understand is that the male power and the male desire for the control of the woman's body and the woman's sexuality -- the honor resides in that sort of understanding and the ownership of women's body and sexuality," he said. "So when that is being presented in a way that is not acceptable to the social norm, then the only way the honor can be restored is by purifying that. And the purification is through blood."

But how to separate the religious fanatics from the main stream religion?
I don't believe this is the view from the ENTIRE Muslim community.....is it.

Originally posted by vogon42
But how to separate the religious fanatics from the main stream religion?
I don't believe this is the view from the ENTIRE Muslim community.....is it.

Good questions and ones you are going to have to answer for yourself. Sure the media will try to help you out(even some crap here) but do your own research for the truth.

there's much ignorance in this thread....

why bash christian's or muslims...

Anyone following one of these religion's can't claim their deity told them to do it, nor can they claim to be christian or muslim without lying out their butts...

Both religions are anti murder, so all this talk of "Christian" serial killers is false.... there is no such thing as a "christian" serial killer, because murder goes against true christian beliefs... sorry but this is about an Islamic family, not christian, so leave the christian's out of it.

Reminds me of the christian woman that drowned her kids in the car by driving it into a lake...and then she said god told her to do it....

reply to post by Bisman

some people see them as enemies, some like you see them as charity cases the world must pray over. im sorry if i still see a beautiful girl. you would take offence to that wouldnt you? wave your flag elsewhere.

yes I do take offense to someone whose first reaction is someones looks instead of the fact that they were brutally murdered by their parents........

Charity cases? to pray over?

Dont presume to know me or my religious views.........

This is a consequence of the human condition, we are aware of good and bad, able to act out our own judgement. All of us are guilty.

reply to post by longtermproject


Please go away.
We are trying to have a discussion here.

Your injecting christianity into it does not add anything to the thread, it only clouds it.