Originally posted by ShadowAngel85
My theory is that those immigrants are extremely old fashioned, they came to another country 15-40 years ago, stick to other immigrants (creating some
sort of "Ghetto" and never change their way of life. While a lot of muslim countries became "westernized" and opened up to modern thinking and living,
the immigrants still have their age-old beliefs.
Turkey is a good example, it's a modern country now. You see women without Burkas and it's not a problem. Here in Germany though? The turkish
immigrants that came 20-30 years ago, still have that old muslim mind, they stick to their own people, start to hate Germany, the modern society and
with all this hate and anger it's no wonder things like those "Honor killings" happen because the younger generation wants to open up, they want to
live like the people around them. Here in Germany we had a lot of those killings in the past, always girls, always because they either were to
"western" or dared to have a german boyfriend ( ) and they poison the minds of their sons with this way of thinking.
Most countries made huge mistakes with immigrants. Germany is a fine example for this, but the government is in denial about it, because saying that
there are problems, could lead to a Nazi remark. So the hate from the muslim immigrants continues, their hate continues and Honor Killings continue.
Turkey is not the best example because it has an enforced secularism and is basically a military state, fabulous country though, one of my favourites,
but muslims are not allowed to be fundamental...which isn't such a bad thing given their history and geo-political position. And it is because of
that, that they impose secularism, to maintain general stability, they are expected by Europe to do so.
Mass immigration is usually a mistake, whether it is Pakistani Muslims or Polish Catholics, if it leads to ghettoisation, but it isn't always
avoidable. For example, in the UK when we had to accommodate those who were turfed out of Uganda by Idi Amin. We had encouraged those people to
emigrate to Uganda from Pakistan to supplement the workforce, and it was our responsibility therefore to rehome them when they lost everything.
It takes time for any population to assimilate new people. Even longer when they arrive en masse and are therefore able to rely on each other, rather
than build bridges into their adopted community. And often those communities are far from welcoming anyway. Plus, for some, it is a major culture
shock to see women walking around, by their standards, half-naked and it must be very hard for them to adapt to 'Western' standards, especially when
they have an honour system, and family and friends back home judging how good a parent they are by how well they can control their daughters.
None of it is right, and it is certainly not 'moral' or honourable to murder anyone, and completely against nature to kill your own children...except
in times of great threat, when it is natural. Few of us, in the West ever will experience the conditions that would require such an action certainly,
but I can understand that it is possible, given the kind of stresses that some immigrants must endure, to suffer a nervous breakdown and feel
compelled to kill. I understand it, not condone it. It can seem to be a very hostile world when you don't fit in and see everything that you were
raised to believe in, rejected by your off-spring who do want to fit in.
The problem here in the UK and I should imagine elsewhere is that immigrants are vilified if they ghettoise themselves, and then if the local
government try to act to prevent such ghettoisation, the natives complain that immigrants get too much help and resources directed to them. It is a
no win situation for all concerned. However, on the upside, integration is possible, but it takes time. The honour system needs to be addressed, but
it will only be effective if it is done by the Muslim community itself by offering support to immigrant Muslims, to aid acclimatisation, and hopefully
prevent such descents into the obvious madness required to murder your own children.
edit on 28-1-2012 by Biliverdin because: (no reason