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No, their deeds were motivated by their egotism and their skewed interpretation of what honour is.
Originally posted by Maslo
Lets not ignore that their deeds were motivated by their religion in this case, so mentioning it is indeed relevant.
Originally posted by ManjushriPrajna
Islam has always been a religion of peace.
Originally posted by Adil1
reply to post by BrianOrion
Alright, let me make clear and obvious the disengenuous nature of your post by quoting the same Qur'anic verses that you lifted off some anti-Islamic website.
Quran (2:191-193) - "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]... but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah."
"drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]" - This is specifically talking about resisting persecution and to "drive them our from where they drove you out".
"...but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until persecution is no more..." - This is saying that if the persecution stops, then you stop fighting them. This doesn't say in any way, shape, or form to go and kill non-believers. In no part of the Qur'an, if you are honest with the full context of the verses, does it command Muslims to kill kufar (non-believers)/
Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"
""The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this," - Again, when it describes those who wage war against Allah, is talking about those that wage war on the Muslims. This verse is describing that it is the duty to RESIST OPRESSION by all means necessary, and, as long as the oppression of Muslims continues, to resist brutally the oppression. Again, this does not command Muslims to wage war on non-believers, rather it commands Muslims to resist violently oppression and wars waged against them.
Quran (2:191-193) - "And slay the idolators (non believers) wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter of idolators [of non-believers]...and fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah."
190. Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors. 191. And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith. 192. But if they cease, Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"
Quran (8:15) - "O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey's end."
Quran (8:57) - "If thou comest on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember."
Quran (8:59-60) - "And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip (Allah's Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape. Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy."
Quran (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them."
6. If one amongst the Pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah. and then escort him to where he can be secure. That is because they are men without knowledge.
You have clearly stated, at the beggining of your most erroneous reply, that said verses within the Quran relate to 'The Battlefield.' This now begs the question, "Where is the Battlefield?" Is it in a 7th Century Mecca? A place confined to the History books that is of no significance to the times that we currently find ourselves living in?
The verses from the Quran, regardless of which website I have sourced, are in no means synonymous with a 'Peaceful' Religion REGARDLESS of context. Are the verses that I quoted innaccurate? Did I insert my own words and try to mis-lead by 'inventing' new chapters and verses? I think not!!!
You may, for all I care, continue to defend such coercive practises and you may also try to support your argument with fallacious conclusion.
This, in itself, will not change the incontrovertible fact that Islam, within it's own Scriptures, rationalizes justifiable massacre,
Originally posted by BrianOrion
reply to post by THE_PROFESSIONAL
I will no longer respond to any of your posts...
You are obviously incapeable of rational thought and your logic requires re-evaluation.
Good luck in your defence of murderers and rapists.
When we have people from different religions doing this, why do you think this is related to religion?
Originally posted by Unity_99
There seems to be apologetics who try to distance Muslims from these honor killings and state emphatically its not the religions that are doing this.
Sorry, I don't understand what you mean by that, could you please rephrase it? Thanks in advance.
Originally posted by Aeons
Not all of the people doing it are using religious precepts as a defense, and only in one group do you find a significant number who agree with them.
Did they give a religious reason for it in this case? I haven't read much about it, so I probably missed it.
So you find this in some Hindus, but rarely do they give religious reasons for it.
Sorry, I don't understand what you mean by this either.
Stereotyping when it supports one's "positive" view, is still stereotyping.