Originally posted by Adil1
reply to post by BrianOrion
Alright, let me make clear and obvious the disengenuous nature of your post by quoting the same Qur'anic verses that you lifted off some anti-Islamic
Quran (2:191-193) - "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is
worse than slaughter [of non-believers]... but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until persecution is no more,
and religion is for Allah."
"drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]" - This is
specifically talking about resisting persecution and to "drive them our from where they drove you out".
"...but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until persecution is no more..." - This is saying that if the
persecution stops, then you stop fighting them. This doesn't say in any way, shape, or form to go and kill non-believers. In no part of the
Qur'an, if you are honest with the full context of the verses, does it command Muslims to kill kufar (non-believers)/
Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they
should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a
disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"
""The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this," - Again, when it
describes those who wage war against Allah, is talking about those that wage war on the Muslims. This verse is describing that it is the duty to
RESIST OPRESSION by all means necessary, and, as long as the oppression of Muslims continues, to resist brutally the oppression. Again, this does not
command Muslims to wage war on non-believers, rather it commands Muslims to resist violently oppression and wars waged against them.
While there is indeed evidence here that you, Adil, have some intelligence, it is without question that your viewpoint is distorted. Perhaps one could
I am not the type of person to deliver my opinion based on duplicitous innuendo nor am I ignorant of "Islam" and all that this word implies.
Furthermore, my response was to a certain ManjushriPrajna's claim that Islam was a Religion of Peace... which it most certainly is not.
Your puerile attempts at refuting my claims can be described as being ambiguous at best.
I understand that you may feel it your duty to try and defend any claims that Islam is clearly not synonymous with peace. However, your first attempt
(above) to explain Quran (2:191-193) is a good example of your inability to independently distinguish the consternation within said verse...
This one verse [Quran (2:191-193)] alone teaches the following:
(1) There is such a thing as justifiable massacre.
(2) Enforced colonization is acceptable.
(3) Muslims are to be considered as better than other people.
No matter how well versed you may be with regards Mahatma Gandhi, the above facts are there in plain black and white for all to read in the Quran.
These three points cannot be considered attributes of a 'Peaceful' organisation or institution.
I am fully aware of the attempts of certain Islamic people and their 'taqiyya' tactics when confronted with free-thinking individuals. Regardless,
only a fool would try to argue the above mentioned facts.
Perhaps, as you believe Islam to be so misconstrued and peaceful Adil, you would like to comment on the hundreds of thousands of deaths caused by the
conflicts that have engulfed the Sunnis and the Shiites?
And please, Adil... don't reply with ignorant statements regarding your opinion of your own interpretation of the some 109 verses in the Quran that
call for violence to be perpetrated by Muslims towards non-believers and call yourself educated...