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Breaking News: Judge Doesn't Rule, Secretary of State Doesn't Agree - Obama NOT off

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posted on Jan, 27 2012 @ 08:39 PM
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If people want to get Obama impeached or make sure he doesn't get elected or whatever, they should be going after his repeated violations of the Constitution which one would think would be enough to get him impeached. But it seems like that wouldn't be too effective, considering the majority of the rest of the government is guilty of the same things, when they vote for things like the Patriot Act and the NDAA.

So what's the solution then? The whole nation working together to ensure that people who take seriously the oath of office and serve the people rather than corporations and special interests get elected? Revolution? I don't know, but I'm getting a bit off topic.

Is Obama a citizen? First, you have to ask yourself why the hell the Bilderberg Group and all of those wealthy elites pulling the strings of our government would be stupid enough to get somebody who isn't even an American citizen to run for president.

Why even risk it?




posted on Jan, 27 2012 @ 08:41 PM
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The MOD GOATU789 is the mod that refuses to see the truth and is helping those that would fight the truth. I call on all other mods to straighten him out AFTER looking at the proof that I have provided that my story is TRUE.
The MOD GOATU789 EMBRACES IGNORANCE



posted on Jan, 27 2012 @ 08:43 PM
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Obama IS a citizen but he IS NOT a "natural born citizen" because he is a citizen of Kenya as well



posted on Jan, 27 2012 @ 08:49 PM
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Wrong. The Constitution makes it quite clear that an having dual-citizenship affects your American citizenship in no way. In fact we have had a number of presidents with dual-citizenship as was pointed out earlier in the thread.



posted on Jan, 27 2012 @ 08:51 PM
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A "natural born Citizen" is a child born in the USA of two (2) U.S. Citizens. The parents can be Citizens by Birth or they can be Citizens by Naturalization after immigrating to the USA. But to create a "natural born Citizen" of the United States both parents must be Citizens at the time the child is born in the USA. See this legal reference book used by the founders and framers of our Constitution: Law of Nations or Principles of Natural Law, Vol.1 Chapter 19 Section 212, Emer de Vattel, 1758-1797. The overwhelming majority (probably 95%+) of citizens in the United States are natural born Citizens. It is from the group of natural born Citizens that our founders prescribed in the presidential eligiblity clause in Clause 5, Section 1 of Article II of the U.S. Constitution that we shall choose a President and Commander in Chief of our military as a strong check against foreign influence via birth allegiances on the person in that singular and most powerful office. One needs all three citizenship legs to be a natural born Citizen and have sole allegiance and claim on you at birth to one and only one country -- the United States: 1. Born in the USA. 2. Father must be a U.S. Citizen (born or naturalized). 3. Mother must be U.S. Citizen (born or naturalized). Like a three legged stool if you take away any of these three citizenship legs of the requirements to being a natural born Citizen, the child is born with more than one claim of allegiance/citizenship on them at their birth and thus they are NOT a natural born Citizen of the United States, and as in the analogy of a stool designed to stand on three legs and it is missing a leg, it falls down, likewise the person's claim to natural born Citizenship fails if the person does not have all three citizenship legs required to be a natural born Citizen at the time of their birth. See the below Venn Diagram which logically and graphically shows how a natural born Citizen has the intersection and unity of all three Citizenship statuses at birth. Read this essay " Of Trees and Plants" on basic logic which explains that being simply a "Citizen at Birth (CAB)" does not necessarily make oneself a "natural born Citizen (NBC)" at Birth. Natural born Citizens are overwhelmingly the largest subset of all American citizens. The location of birth being in the U.S. to a U.S. father and U.S. mother ... all being U.S. Citizens at the time of birth is the only way one achieves natural born Citizenship status. Natural born Citizenship is gained by the laws of nature not by any manmade law or statute or even a constitutional amendment granting that status. Natural born Citizens need no act of man for their Citizenship was created by nature and nature's Creator. Natural born Citizens of the United States have sole allegiance to one and only one country at birth ... the United States. No foreign power or country can claim their allegiance under U.S. law or the Law of Nations. Over 95% of Americans fit that requirement i.e., born in the USA of two U.S. Citizen (born or naturalized) parents. Natural born citizens are the 3 Leaf Clovers of the American citizens, Not the 4 Leaf Clovers. It is from those 95% of American citizens that our founders and framers directed us via Article II, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution that we shall choose our President and Commander-in-Chief, not a dual citizen son of a foreign national and British Subject father, and being born a British subject himself via his father, as is the case with Obama's birth status.
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posted on Jan, 27 2012 @ 08:52 PM
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I think bringing Obama's "birth" into the court system is maybe unintentionally GENIUS.

Because after I myself studied the online PDF document that was released by the White House, and after listening to many credible Adobe Illustrator experts, I think there is sufficient evidence that the White House PDF is indeed fraudulent.

I want to know why. I want to know what would compel our President to produce such a joke of a forgery that a 5 year old could see through. What is the lie about? If it's his birth then it's related and fully relevant in a court case in a questioning.

It's totally within the scope and HAS to be discussed if any Lawyer were to go to trial for the Defense.

Obama's Lawyers have no defense if the BC PDF were to come into evidence.

His team HAS to ignore it and take the failure to appear, they have no defense.



posted on Jan, 27 2012 @ 08:55 PM
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CITIZENSHIP STATUS of the PRESIDENTS OF USA
Eligibility under U.S. Constitution Article II Section 1
Original Citizenship Grandfather Clause (GFC)
or Natural Born Citizenship Clause (NBC) or were they Frauds
and Unconstitutionally and Illegally Seated as President
by: CDR Charles Kerchner (Ret), Lehigh Valley PA USA
Originally Compiled: 16 Feb 2009 -- Last Updated 21 Mar 2011
www.protectourliberty.org...
Note: For Natural Born Citizenship (NBC) clause status per natural law and the law of nations and relevant U.S. Supreme Court rulings such as Venus (1814), Minor v Happersett (1875), and Perkins v Elg (1939); it is not where the parents were born that is controlling but whether or not the both parents were Citizens of the United States (via birth or naturalization) at the time of the birth of their child in the USA. Both parents must be U.S. Citizens when their child is born in the USA for that child to be a “natural born Citizen” of the USA. It is important to note that until recent times foreign born women gained naturalized status upon marrying a U.S. Citizen husband or upon the naturalization of the husband under the legal concept of citizenship fusion in a marriage. The Citizenship of the wife was always legally fused to that of her husband until more recent times.
1. George WASHINGTON – covered by Article II Grandfather Clause (GFC) - was born on 22 Feb 1732 in VA.
2. John ADAMS – covered by Article II Grandfather Clause (GFC) - was born on 30 Oct 1735 in MA.
3. Thomas JEFFERSON – covered by Article II Grandfather Clause (GFC) - was born on 13 Apr 1743 in VA.
4. James MADISON – covered by Article II Grandfather Clause (GFC) - was born on 16 Mar 1751 in VA.
5. James MONROE – covered by Article II Grandfather Clause (GFC) - was born in 1758 in VA.
6. John Quincy ADAMS – covered by Article II Grandfather Clause (GFC) - was born in 1767 in MA.
7. Andrew JACKSON – covered by Article II Grandfather Clause (GFC) - was born in 1767 in Carolinas.
8. Martin VAN BUREN - Article II (NBC) both parents Citizens when he was born - was born in 1782 in NY. This was the first President qualified under the NBC clause. He was born in the USA to two Citizen parents. His parents were original Citizens who gained their citizenship by adhering to the Revolution in 1776.
9. William Henry HARRISON – covered by Article II Grandfather Clause (GFC) - was born in 1773 in VA.
10. John TYLER - Article II (NBC) both parents Citizens when he was born - was born in 1790 in VA.
11. James K. POLK - Article II (NBC) both parents Citizens when he was born - was born in 1795 in NC.
12. Zachary TAYLOR - Article II (NBC) both parents Citizens when he was born - was born in 1784 in VA.
13. Millard FILLMORE - Article II (NBC) both parents Citizens when he was born - was born in 1800 in NY.
14. Franklin PIERCE - Article II (NBC) both parents Citizens when he was born - was born in 1804 in NY.
15. James BUCHANAN - Article II (NBC) both parents Citizens when he was born - was born in 1791 in PA. His father was foreign born, Irish, but when James was born his father had already become a naturalized Citizen of the United States. Having a foreign born parent is OK if the foreign born parent has become a naturalized Citizen of the U.S. prior to the child being born.
16. Abraham LINCOLN - Article II (NBC) both parents Citizens when he was born - was born in 1809 in KY.
17. Andrew JOHNSON – Article II (NBC) both parents Citizens when he was born - was born in 1808 in NC. Seated due to assassination of President Lincoln.
21 March 2011 PRESIDENTS OF USA - by: Charles Kerchner, Lehigh Valley PA Page 2
18. Ulysses S. GRANT - Article II (NBC) both parents Citizens when he was born - was born in 1822 in OH.
19. Rutherford B. HAYES - Article II (NBC) both parents Citizens when he was born - was born in 1822 in OH.
20. James GARFIELD - Article II (NBC) both parents Citizens when he was born - was born in 1831 in OH.
21. Chester A. ARTHUR - Not an NBC or original Citizen . He was NOT an Article II NBC since he was born before father's naturalization. Seated due to assassination of President Garfield. But based on the facts uncovered in later history, he was unconstitutionally seated due to the falsified nativity story and fraud by Chester Arthur which was not fully discovered and proven until long after his death. He burned all his early family records to cover up his lies and fraud. He was born circa1829, allegedly in VT.
22. Grover CLEVELAND - Article II (NBC) both parents Citizens when he was born - was born in 1837 in NJ.
23. Benjamin HARRISON - Article II (NBC) both parents Citizens when he was born - was born in 1833 in OH.
24. Grover CLEVELAND - Article II (NBC) both parents Citizens when he was born - was born in 1837 in NJ.
25. William MCKINLEY - Article II (NBC) both parents Citizens when he was born - was born in 1843 in OH.
26. Theodore ROOSEVELT - Article II (NBC) both parents Citizens when born - was born in 1858 in NY. Seated due to assassination of President McKinley.
27. William Howard TAFT - Article II (NBC) both parents Citizens when he was born - was born in 1857 in OH.
28. Woodrow WILSON - Article II (NBC) both parents Citizens when he was born - was born in 1856 in VA. His mother was foreign born U.S. Citizen, English, but when he was born she had become a naturalized Citizen of the United States prior to his birth due to her marriage to Woodrow’s father, a U.S. Citizen. Having a foreign born parent is OK if the foreign born parent has become a naturalized Citizen of the U.S. prior to the child being
29. Harden G. HARDING - Article II (NBC) both parents Citizens when he was born - was born in 1865 in OH.
30. Calvin COOLIDGE - Article II (NBC) both parents Citizens when he was born - was born in 1872 in VT.
31. Herbert HOOVER - Article II (NBC) both parents Citizens when he was born - was born in 1874 in IA. His mother was foreign born U.S. Citizen, a Canadian, but when he was born she had become a naturalized Citizen of the United States prior to his birth due to her marriage to Herbert’s father, a U.S. Citizen. Having a foreign born parent is OK if the foreign born parent has become a naturalized Citizen of the U.S. prior to the child being born.
32. Franklin D. ROOSEVELT - Article II (NBC) both parents Citizens when he was born - was born in 1882 in NY.
33. Harry S. TRUMAN - Article II (NBC) both parents Citizens when he was born - was born in 1884 in MO.
34. Dwight D. EISENHOWER - Article II (NBC) both parents Citizens when he was born - was born in 1890 in TX.
35. John F. KENNEDY - Article II (NBC) both parents Citizens when he was born - was born in 1917 in MA.
36. Lyndon B. JOHNSON - Article II (NBC) both parents Citizens when born - was born in 1908 in TX. Seated due to the assassination of President Kennedy.
37. Richard M. NIXON - Article II (NBC) both parents Citizens when he was born - was born in 1913 in CA.
38. Gerald R. FORD - Article II (NBC) both parents Citizens when he was born - was born in 1913 in NE.
39. James CARTER - Article II (NBC) both parents Citizens when he was born - was born in 1924 in GA.
21 March 2011 PRESIDENTS OF USA - by: Charles Kerchner, Lehigh Valley PA Page 3
40. Ronald REAGAN - Article II (NBC) both parents Citizens when he was born - was born in 1911 in IL.
41. George H. W. BUSH - Article II (NBC) both parents Citizens when he was born - was born in 1924 in MA.
42. William J. CLINTON - Article II (NBC) both parents Citizens when he was born - was born in 1946 in AR.
43. George W. BUSH - Article II (NBC) both parents Citizens when he was born - was born in 1946 in CT.
44. (Putative President) Barack Hussein OBAMA – Not an NBC. His father was a foreign national and was NOT a U.S. Citizen. Obama was seated due to FRAUD about his nativity story and the progressive corruption in the media of the legal meaning of NBC and the willful neglect of Congress. Obama’s father was a foreign national. His father was never a U.S. Citizen nor was Obama’s father even an immigrant to the USA or even a permanent resident in the USA. His father was only sojourning in the USA attending college and went back to Kenya after completing his education. Obama claims he was born in 1961 allegedly in HI but his birth registration most likely was falsified by the maternal grandmother. No hospital record of his birth has been produced. No name of an attending physician, mid-wife, or paramedic called to the scene of a speculated home birth report exists. No independent witnesses to the claimed birth in Hawaii have ever been named or surfaced. No pre-natal care records exist in Hawaii for Obama’s mother. There is no record at all of his mother even being in Hawaii in August 1961, the alleged month of Obama’s alleged birth in Hawaii. A false registration of birth at home in HI with no witnesses would have generated the vital record in HI and also would have generated the two newspaper ads. Those ads were placed automatically by the state a result of all birth registrations – real or falsified. And to further contradict the Hawaiian birth nativity story of Obama, there are many accounts by Obama’s paternal family in Kenya, Kenyan government officials, and Kenyan and African newspapers that Obama really was born in the hospital in Mombasa, Kenya. No other President in history has had so many accounts attesting to his being foreign born and/or can provide NO contemporaneous birth witnesses or evidence to corroborate their claim to U.S. birth.
45. TO BE DETERMINED - Article II (NBC) both parents Citizens when he/she was born - was born before 1975 in USA.
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posted on Jan, 27 2012 @ 08:57 PM
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Any other questions or do you as well choose to believe the mainstream media and embrace ignorance?



posted on Jan, 27 2012 @ 09:02 PM
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wOW

First page...........9th Post............and people who question Obama area already RACIST......

I love it..........

Must be nice for people never to be able to have an argument against you or your policies because it makes them "racist"

People in this country need to get a grip............and i expect more from ATS members then that
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posted on Jan, 27 2012 @ 09:04 PM
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Who is keeping you from checking up on his bogus activities? No one but you. His speeches are regurgitated lies.



posted on Jan, 27 2012 @ 09:05 PM
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It's all they have left...you can't defend him on his merits or action.





posted on Jan, 27 2012 @ 09:07 PM
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Remember, it was a Democrat Hillary supporter who started the whole thing to begin with.



posted on Jan, 27 2012 @ 09:11 PM
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It's not that Bilderbergs are stupid, in fact they are just plain contemptuous and powerful.



posted on Jan, 27 2012 @ 09:15 PM
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Your argument was that Obama is unable to be president due to his dual citizenship. At the time of James Buchanan's birth his father was still a British subject under nemo potest exuere patriam. The same goes for Chester A. Arthur's father. As a result both presidents were dual citizens of America and Britain.



posted on Jan, 27 2012 @ 09:17 PM
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I didn't say they're stupid, but I think we can both agree it would be a foolish move for them to have a person that isn't even an American citizen push their agenda.



posted on Jan, 27 2012 @ 09:18 PM
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James BUCHANAN - Article II (NBC) both parents Citizens when he was born - was born in 1791 in PA. His father was foreign born, Irish, but when James was born his father had already become a naturalized Citizen of the United States. Having a foreign born parent is OK if the foreign born parent has become a naturalized Citizen of the U.S. prior to the child being born. ext
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posted on Jan, 27 2012 @ 09:18 PM
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Chester A. ARTHUR - Not an NBC or original Citizen . He was NOT an Article II NBC since he was born before father's naturalization. Seated due to assassination of President Garfield. But based on the facts uncovered in later history, he was unconstitutionally seated due to the falsified nativity story and fraud by Chester Arthur which was not fully discovered and proven until long after his death. He burned all his early family records to cover up his lies and fraud. He was born circa1829, allegedly in VT.
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posted on Jan, 27 2012 @ 09:19 PM
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Anything else?



posted on Jan, 27 2012 @ 09:21 PM
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(Putative President) Barack Hussein OBAMA – Not an NBC. His father was a foreign national and was NOT a U.S. Citizen. Obama was seated due to FRAUD about his nativity story and the progressive corruption in the media of the legal meaning of NBC and the willful neglect of Congress. Obama’s father was a foreign national. His father was never a U.S. Citizen nor was Obama’s father even an immigrant to the USA or even a permanent resident in the USA. His father was only sojourning in the USA attending college and went back to Kenya after completing his education. Obama claims he was born in 1961 allegedly in HI but his birth registration most likely was falsified by the maternal grandmother. No hospital record of his birth has been produced. No name of an attending physician, mid-wife, or paramedic called to the scene of a speculated home birth report exists. No independent witnesses to the claimed birth in Hawaii have ever been named or surfaced. No pre-natal care records exist in Hawaii for Obama’s mother. There is no record at all of his mother even being in Hawaii in August 1961, the alleged month of Obama’s alleged birth in Hawaii. A false registration of birth at home in HI with no witnesses would have generated the vital record in HI and also would have generated the two newspaper ads. Those ads were placed automatically by the state a result of all birth registrations – real or falsified. And to further contradict the Hawaiian birth nativity story of Obama, there are many accounts by Obama’s paternal family in Kenya, Kenyan government officials, and Kenyan and African newspapers that Obama really was born in the hospital in Mombasa, Kenya. No other President in history has had so many accounts attesting to his being foreign born and/or can provide NO contemporaneous birth witnesses or evidence to corroborate their claim to U.S. birth.
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posted on Jan, 27 2012 @ 10:07 PM
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Originally posted by candcantiques



(Putative President) Barack Hussein OBAMA – Not an NBC. His father was a foreign national and was NOT a U.S. Citizen. Obama was seated due to FRAUD about his nativity story and the progressive corruption in the media of the legal meaning of NBC and the willful neglect of Congress. Obama’s father was a foreign national. His father was never a U.S. Citizen nor was Obama’s father even an immigrant to the USA or even a permanent resident in the USA. His father was only sojourning in the USA attending college and went back to Kenya after completing his education. Obama claims he was born in 1961 allegedly in HI but his birth registration most likely was falsified by the maternal grandmother. No hospital record of his birth has been produced. No name of an attending physician, mid-wife, or paramedic called to the scene of a speculated home birth report exists. No independent witnesses to the claimed birth in Hawaii have ever been named or surfaced. No pre-natal care records exist in Hawaii for Obama’s mother. There is no record at all of his mother even being in Hawaii in August 1961, the alleged month of Obama’s alleged birth in Hawaii. A false registration of birth at home in HI with no witnesses would have generated the vital record in HI and also would have generated the two newspaper ads. Those ads were placed automatically by the state a result of all birth registrations – real or falsified. And to further contradict the Hawaiian birth nativity story of Obama, there are many accounts by Obama’s paternal family in Kenya, Kenyan government officials, and Kenyan and African newspapers that Obama really was born in the hospital in Mombasa, Kenya. No other President in history has had so many accounts attesting to his being foreign born and/or can provide NO contemporaneous birth witnesses or evidence to corroborate their claim to U.S. birth.
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So pretty much with your logic a bith certificate and a newspaper announement at the time of ones birth in the United States is not proof one was born in the United States. So pretty much nobody in the country can prove they were born here. The desperation here is both is kind of sad and scary at the same time. Does it not bother you that Obamas biggest political enemies think this is a total load of crap?




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