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"The Internal Working Components of One type of UFO".

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posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 06:59 PM
reply to post by guanicaPR

My question to you is how did you came out with this explanation?

That's 4 Me to know and you to find out...

posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 09:45 PM
Ahhh, this is taking too long. I am thirsty for more...
I joined ATS when I found this thread (as well as your interpretation of the Universe). Loooong time lurker. Please continue with your explanations on both threads.

posted on Feb, 3 2012 @ 04:46 AM

Originally posted by wolverine81
Ahhh, this is taking too long. I am thirsty for more...
I joined ATS when I found this thread (as well as your interpretation of the Universe). Loooong time lurker. Please continue with your explanations on both threads.

Sorry I am busy with another Project, but will be back in another 2 Days time.
Just running out of Hours in the Day as my Work has to go on.

There is heaps to explain over the next few weeks, as there is a huge amount of Information to reveal.

Don't panic I shall be back.

posted on Feb, 3 2012 @ 05:14 AM
reply to post by DUSA922

The best way to understand the Pre Rotator is for you to make one to the description I have Given you.

Just use a Cylinder with one end and a Large hole/ Slot in the side of the Cylinder near the end Plate, where water can access this end of the Cylinder and tack in that Disc with the Hole in the Center of it, half way through the Cylinder.

The End plate is used to install a bearing with back to back seals. ("Bearings" seal like used in boat trailer, wheel bearings.) "Bearings" a product Name.

Make up the Pre Rotator and Mount it in 2 bearings with back to back seals, to prevent water getting into them.
One bearing in the "Input" end i.e the End of the Cylinder that has the end Plate and a couple of supports at the open end of the Cylinder, its "Output" end. You can attach an End plate instead of supports at this end as well but you will have to then cut a Large Slot in the side wall of that end too, to allow the Water to pour out.

Place the "Input" end of the pump in a large container of water, and you can even turn the Pre Rotator by hand if you attach a crank handle.

Mount the Pre Rotator so the curved ends of the blades are about 8 to 10 mm away from the face of that Disc with the large hole in it (Non Return Valve).

This will still produce a Huge, Huge flow of water, enough to thoroughly drench you... LOL.

Try it out, you certainly will not be disappointed, in fact you will probably be shocked by the amount of Flow.... LOL. The Proof is in the eating... LOL.

Its very, very, easy to make...

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posted on Feb, 3 2012 @ 11:44 AM
reply to post by The Matrix Traveller

Thank you very much for your description regarding how to manufacture a pre rotator.

however as already pointed out there are limits in the global ruling physical and mechanical laws of our reality universe which impede the converter to work in this world as indicated. I have now calculated the final figures of the water flow (assuming a 100 per cent efficiency of the pre-rotator and no suplementary water spilling to what is strictly necessary for tip parts of the wheels to be filled with water) and the results speak for themselves:
the flow (minimal) of water in the way of the wheels per turn and for 12 wheels amount to 0,25 liter (in the way of the pads ) plus 1,25 liter on the other part of the wheel. Total make 1,50 liter per turn. Assuming the axle turn at 10,000 RPM which equal 10000:60 or 167 revolutions per second. This represent an angular velocity of 167x6.28 or 1049 radians per sec. The pad (60 degrees) represent an angle of 1.08 radians and the remaining of the wheel represent an angle of 5.2 radians.
The water spilling outside of the pad area spin at the angular velocity of the wheel at a diameter of max 14 cm. The water spilling after the pad on 1.08 radians spin at the same angular velocity as the shaft but at a diameter of maximum 26 cm. This means 0.25 liter of water leave the wheel tangentially with a velocity of WxR (W is the angular velocity) or 1049x0.13 or 136 Meter per second and elsewhere, 1,25 liter of water leave the wheel tangentially (assuming it is not further accelerated by the wheel as this later lack the pads to captivate it at the tip) with a velocity of 1049x0.07 or 73 meters per second.
All the water spitting out of the wheel will eventually crash on the bulkheads of the boxe and the water will flow (by virtue of the gravity) back to the sump where the pre-rotator will take it back for another run.

I have already drawn your attention to the enormity of the flow (1.5 liter per turn time 167 turns per second ) which amount to 250 liter persecond with a sump of only 6 liters. How can this work ?
But there is another problem : The energy given to mass M (expressed in kg mass) of water when it exit the wheels tangentially with a speed V (expressed in meter per second) is equal to 0.5xMx(Vsquare) (energy expressed in kg force time meter). So per turn we have here a total exiting energy of the water in kgforce time meter equal to 0.5x0.25x(136 square) plus 0.5x1.25x(73square) equal 5643 kgforcexmeter per turn.
There are 167 turns per second so the energy given to the water per second equal 167x5643 equal 942381 kgforcexm/sec (it is the power taken by the device of 12 discs) As a Horsepower equal 75 kgForcexm/sec we need at least a power of 12565 HP at 10,000 RPM. But this is not the main problem : the energy given to the water exiting at high speed is transformed in heat when the same water impact the bulkheads and go back to the sump in a till state :as such, per second we transform a power of 12565 HP or 10127 KW in heat transmitted to the water. So this system is first a steam generator. At 1000 RPM you get still 101,27 KW to heat the water (6 liter)
Please verify my calculations and tell me what is wrong if it is.

posted on Feb, 3 2012 @ 11:58 AM
reply to post by The Matrix Traveller

If true, I think this is amazing and I understand everything about this... not. When this thing is up and running can you drop by to give me a tour around the craft and spin one round with me, from earth to mars and back for lunchtime.. ill send you my address when you start flying..

ps: can I bring my camera?

posted on Feb, 3 2012 @ 12:51 PM
reply to post by 0bserver1

I can see you havent read the thread properly..
NO you cant...

He´s mearly here to GIVE you the technology.
Then off he goez..

So if you want a spin you´ll have to digin, learn
and build one yourself...

posted on Feb, 3 2012 @ 03:33 PM
reply to post by DUSA922

Having similar issues, especially in regards to heat buildup from the rapid "combustion" or state change occurring in his piston setup, flow speed, and the energy actually being exerted during spin (assuming that the other systems were working as described). But, I digress. I'm not sure if this is an issue with a lack of understanding on my part, or if there is another system in play somehow that hasn't been entertained yet in his descriptions.

This reminds me a lot of some classified material wherein a dielectric material sandwiched between positive and negative plates creates directional movement in the + direction. Resulting electrostatic charges then built up gravity fields, eliminated sonic booms, and so on and so forth. Such as our stealth bombers use, whether people are aware or not, but I see no charging of the ceramic outer hull here. All this with a kind of steam-engine, liquid/gas, ramjet type of configuration... Maybe more like a turbofan, since it "runs cool" in the end, per Matrix Traveller's comments.

As I said before, this is just "different." My interest lies really in whether or not the simplicity will work in the end or not. Building "UFOs" is kiddy stuff these days. But if someone has a "free-energy method" or way to simplify certain aspects of the developmental stages, I'm more than happy to hear them out.

posted on Feb, 3 2012 @ 03:48 PM
no nuts, bolts, or welding...

I would like to see something that complicated with moving parts...airtight etc..

Not being sarcastic..I really would

posted on Feb, 3 2012 @ 03:53 PM
reply to post by DUSA922

cant really compress water...but maybe if you cracked it into hydrogen and oxygen you could compress those for storage...but you would have to put them back together really fast so it doesnt run out of water....any other solution would require messing with gravity/dimensional tinkering etc..neat

posted on Feb, 3 2012 @ 04:17 PM
reply to post by paearmor

Water is only converted into O2 & H2 as required, within the Separator. You don't convert the lot in one hit, that is if if you are referring to O2 being stored in Water, as a liquid to be used in the Environmental case, within the cabin area of the Craft.

posted on Feb, 3 2012 @ 04:46 PM
reply to post by DUSA922

Thank you for your Post and attempt to understand...

No offense, but you need to do a Practical test to really comprehend...

Math is only as reliable as your understanding of the system.

In the Past some years ago (during the 90's) I played around building my own Single wheel set up, so learned 6,000 + on how not to construct this.. LOL.

A bit like....

As I said if you physically make that "Pre Rotator" and Chamber you will be shocked in amazement, and keep you trying to work out that math for many years to come... LOL.

But you won't be able to understand until you do make it.

The System also Runs Cold. This was verified in playing around with my own.

Regarding HP I used a 2 letter automotive engine to rotate one wheel.

We had the wheel laser cut for accuracy, and can provide proof regarding the supply of these components I think.
I will see if I can dig up the records for this. It was don in the 1990's

Without getting into my past no longer have the setup I was playing with.

As the result of a dispute, Greed for $$$ was in the root of this dispute.

But I can assure you It works.

As I said the key to the delivery of water is in that Pre Rotator.

It is the Key to obtain and retain the Flow of Water.

Without this practical knowledge your going nowhere with Math on this one.

It affects all your math, regarding anything else.

When you have made only the Pre Rotator assembly then Contact me.

I will be interested in your thoughts then.

Guessing and applying Math, won't give you the correct answers you are looking for, I'm afraid.

Anyway try making that Pre Rotator yourself, then Re Comment.

posted on Feb, 3 2012 @ 10:02 PM
reply to post by The Matrix Traveller

Matrix Traveller,

I must have sat here at the computer a good ten minutes before deciding upon just how I was going to say this in such a public arena. I was going to private message you (I even posted in other forums just for this very reason to be allowed to privately msg) but people here may need to witness this.

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Do you feel that the lift generated is because of centrifugal force?

You're in another country, so perhaps you shouldn't be worried, but your "blueprints" (whether you understand how or why) could technically be considered a breach in national security, break patent laws, and just all-in-all are questionable as to where (if you do understand these processes) you got these ideas from? Were you living in AUS or any allied territory, you would have some very serious legal issues to deal with. The idea that you are currently in China (?)right now would cause even more red flags to go up. I don't know whether you've taken something you shouldn't have, , were truly shown these things, or just have an amount of blind luck.

This isn't even based on the premise of whether your designs "work" or not in the first place. It's something else here that I had not even realized until much later.

I am not being sensational here it's just that the more I consider certain things about this, the more that I just don't know what to think anymore. Just answer me this ONE question, I am directing towards you now again, please:

Do you or do you not believe that, if it were to occur from this design, the lift generated is from the CENTRIFUGAL force, or even have anything to do with the action of your spin and subsequent shifting of water? I don't mean method of steering, I mean LIFT.

I wish you would disclose (privately) the incident you've mentioned earlier regarding when you had your hands on aforementioned "engine."

By the way, if this topic moves in the direction that I am GUESSING it may, the running of this equipment is dangerous to an individual in short-term & long-term ways, as well as to those in a certain proximity, without knowing what is going to happen once it's "turned on." To simplify this, though a stretch, for others who may not have understood the earlier hammer throwing illustrations, it may appear to work in much the same way as a person sitting on a spinning bar stool spinning a bike tire around (assuming his "steering" system included a way to tilt these engines)... videos showing this grade school experiment can be found on Youtube, I'm sure... but I need confirmation on this in regards to what Matrix Traveller believes is going on..
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posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 12:09 AM
reply to post by SoulVisions

And yet another who cant read..


Thers alot of tones in this thread but one is most striking..
HUMAN...YES this is VERRY Humantypical tone..
As seen in sertain cases.

As i stated in a previous post:
1: Either its TRUE and he really dont care
2: It hogwash and we shouldnt care..

posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 12:36 AM

Originally posted by Miccey
reply to post by SoulVisions

And yet another who cant read..


I was not addressing you.

Thers alot of tones in this thread but one is most striking..

At no point have I been disrespectful to anyone. To be honest, that type of behavior is coming from...

HUMAN...YES this is VERRY Humantypical tone..
As seen in sertain cases., actually.

As i stated in a previous post:
1: Either its TRUE and he really dont care
2: It hogwash and we shouldnt care..

I'm not interested in whether or not he "cares." I'm well aware that he has his own reasons for this. As do I regarding the questions I pose here in this thread, as well. I'm only asking about what he believes is responsible for making his "craft" work. Was this wrong? His response just tells me certain things, one way or the other. I am personally very invested in this topic of discussion, and if you found someone using let's say "tools from your toolbox," would you not at least show interest in their acquiring it, yourself?

You listed only 2 options above that you believe to be the truth. I disagree with both of them, but that is my opinion. If he "didn't care" he would not be returning to this forum on a near daily basis to continue expanding upon his topics. Second, if a person feels it is all hogwash, they are free to roam elsewhere. I may post later after he responds just why I asked him this question but until then, why have you concerned yourself with other's feelings? That, if nothing else, would make you "VERRY Human" yourself, would it not?

posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 04:43 AM
reply to post by SoulVisions
Hello everybody
I have of course considered the possibility that another phenomena not yet described by our physical laws could be in place here. That an antigravity force could emerge from matter and particles when manipulated a certain way. Some very recent researches (2006) indicate that antigravity field can be produced when high spinning speed toral supraconductor material is involved ;That will be very quickly accepted by science if it will be easily replicated. I personnaly believe it is possible and it correspond very well to the way the UFO observed behave towards the surrounding. (magnetic and electrical field)
Here however there have been a lot of experiences with spinning liquids (think about all the centrifugal machines- which I concede are balanced) showing no direct evidence of gravitationnal field (which if it would affect the inertial mass would impede somewhat the centrifugal effect by effect)
As far as the gyroscopic effect (the bicycle wheel effect) is concerned, so far classical mechanic explain the balance of forces which are in play.

posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 04:55 AM
reply to post by DUSA922

Yes, you're right. But the reason that I even went so far as to possibly sound like a nutcase, is because there is something that I am specifically observing here that generates not one field, but many. This "thing" that I didn't even notice at first until I looked more closely, is a CLASSIFIED item, illegal, and even dangerous if not implemented correctly. So I'm just asking him why he believes lift would occur, or simply which force is in play.

It's not a problem of what so much as it is a question of how and why. The devil here is in the details. Thus the reason for not catching it earlier.
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posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 05:49 AM
reply to post by Miccey

Thank you for your Words of wisdom.

I truly Truly Appreciate your Words.

You are one of the more Intelligent ones reading my Posts.
Yes you are indeed, One out of the Very Few, who can read, it is a pity some can't.

My Posts are 100% Factual, whether people believe it or [n]NOT.

The Information is Now out there...

So it is pointless and Stupidity for anyone to do Harm to Me.

Its Too late.

As I said they can, IF permitted at the very most, terminate my body,

BUT I SHALL BE BACK AGAIN. whether they like it or Not in another Program (Monkey)

How mant Monkeys do they want to kill?

It is both Stupidity, Fruitless and in Vain for Monkeys to think this Way thinking they can get rid of me.

How do they propose to get Rid of NOTHING ? LOL.

The Species can't STOP me coming back into this Program (Universe)

No Matter How Many times they terminate my Flesh.... LOL.


This Old Monkey (Flesh & Bone) is only a Picture in a Program.

It sounds Like some Monkeys never learn anything.

All they can think of is $$$$$$$$$$$ & Fear....

Silly Monkeys they KNOW NOT where my Real Self is FROM they can only see the Flesh.

Nor can they go there! LOL.

The Human Species is POWERLESS to do anything.

[b[I COME With LOVE and I AM Greeted with the Greed for $$$$$$$$$$$ with Envy and Hatred because they HATE LIFE.

Their GOD is $$$$$ and they are a Slave, to $$$$$$$.

It is so sad, in this impoverished world of emptiness.

I am amazed at how Such Wealth has made its Place in Such Poverty.

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posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 06:16 AM
Because of the response on this thread by some, I have chosen NOT to continue releasing any more Information here.

Those who know me, can contact me at my Email address.

If others are seriously Interested you can U2U me and I will be only to happy to inform you where you can find this continuing in another "Private Forum".

Please do NOT write to this thread any more.

TROLLS...... I will give you what you lust after....

Have a field day in your Ignorance and EMPTINESS.

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