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Denver Airport Allows Camera Crew in Underground Facility

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posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 10:04 AM
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Originally posted by ofhumandescent
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Free market capitalism is best anti-poverty program ever devised by man.


Things are changing, people are waking up and no, capitalism is outdated. The majority of humans will not agree to that statement for another 100 years if we survive that long.

The trickle down theory does not work.

I am not advocating socialism either but rather a mixture of the two or even something else entirely.

Read three books by Ervin Laszlo

** The Sytems View of the World
** The Chaos Point The World At The Crossroads
** Chaos Point 2012 And Beyond Our Choices Between Global Disaster and a Sustainable Planet

These three books give viable solutions for most of the problems we now face as a species.

Forget country, race, religion, we are all one species, one tribe....................humanity.
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Sorry but we have decided to just pass on the whole George Soros nightmare.

It's Free Market Capitalism or bust!




posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 10:08 AM
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That's taking the easy way out.

We need to start thinking outside the box..............things aren't working well right now.

Read the three books than decide.

Not taking in all the data you possibly can is, in my humble and respectful opinion, being closed minded.

Capitalism in and of itself is outdated.

"A closed mind and proud heart gather no knowledge". - Ofhumandescent.

There has got to be a better way of doing business. The way we are headed thus far isn't good.

"Taking somebody's money without permission is stealing, unless you work for the IRS; then it's taxation. Killing people en masse is homicidal mania, unless you work for the Army; then it's National Defense. Spying on your neighbors is invasion of privacy, unless you work for the FBI; then it's National Security. Running a whorehouse makes you a pimp and poisoning people makes you a murderer, unless you work for the CIA; then it's counter-intelligence." – Robert Anton Wilson

Advocates of capitalism are very apt to appeal to the sacred principles of liberty, which are embodied in one maxim: The fortunate must not be restrained in the exercise of tyranny over the unfortunate. - Bertrand Russell


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posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 10:15 AM
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Originally posted by ofhumandescent
reply to post by Eurisko2012
 


That's taking the easy way out.

We need to start thinking outside the box..............things aren't working well right now.

Read the three books than decide.

Not taking in all the data you possibly can is, in my humble and respectful opinion, being closed minded.

Capitalism in and of itself is outdated.

There has got to be a better way of doing business. The way we are headed thus far isn't good.


I disagree. The USA GDP is over $15 Trillion and still growing.

We are doing better than Europe.

BTW, did you hear that the Queen of England has purchased land in Colorado? - DIA -



posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 10:15 AM
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Originally posted by Eurisko2012
reply to post by ofhumandescent
 




The United States government has the right and the responsibility to protect its

secrets
The only "rights" the govt has are what are outlined in the Constitution...

Last time I checked, the Constitution doesn't allow the US govt to keep secrets from
it's citizens.



posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 10:17 AM
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Originally posted by COconspiracyguy

Originally posted by Eurisko2012
reply to post by ofhumandescent
 




The United States government has the right and the responsibility to protect its

secrets
The only "rights" the govt has are what are outlined in the Constitution...

Last time I checked, the Constitution doesn't allow the US govt to keep secrets from
it's citizens.



Go check again. It's called national security.

Stop portraying the USA as a bunch of monsters.



posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 10:20 AM
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Best system ever? I had almost destroyed are planet, the gap between rich and poor is hugeeeee.. 1% takes it all, the rest just lives in a prison state without rights.. What happens when you lose your job? No house, no social welfare.. Its capitalism that has made the world what it is today.. Watch the shock doctrine, inside job, capitalism a love story and come back and tell me you still think the same.. This system creates poverty, just look at Africa..



posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 10:34 AM
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The Queen of England owns almost more land than any other human..............research, check it out.

vaticproject.blogspot.com...



Largest five personal landowners on Earh Queen Elizabeth II 6,600 million acres
King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia 553 million acres
King Bhumibol of Thailand 126 million acres
King Mohammed IV of Morocco 113 million acres
Sultan Quaboos of Oman 76 million acres
Source: www.whoownstheworld.com...




Now start researching American Banks ties with the Bank of England.


Interesting stuff..........way more interesting than playing video games or vampire novels.........vampires really do exist, Queen Elizabeth II is one of them. And I don't mean vampires like in Twilight, the real ones suck off all your money.

Real interesting below, Nicole Kidman is mentioned as having family that own more land than most people





Nicole Kidman's relatives are among largest landowners in the world - Mar 10, 2011
Ted Turner aces the 'Forbes List of the World's Largest Landowners' - Jul 29, 2010
Ted Turner Leads The List Of America's Largest Land Owners - Jul 28, 2010
Source: www.thaindian.com...


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posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 10:35 AM
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Originally posted by Pazzzzz
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Best system ever? I had almost destroyed are planet, the gap between rich and poor is hugeeeee.. 1% takes it all, the rest just lives in a prison state without rights.. What happens when you lose your job? No house, no social welfare.. Its capitalism that has made the world what it is today.. Watch the shock doctrine, inside job, capitalism a love story and come back and tell me you still think the same.. This system creates poverty, just look at Africa..


Take a trip to Cuba. Heaven on Earth?

Lets see now......who represents the rich 1% in Cuba?

Holy cow! Look the gap between rich and poor in Cuba!

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America is magic because we have a financially strong middle class.

Think hard before answering. Is there a financially strong middle class in Cuba?


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Socialism = fair shared misery for 99% of the population

Michael Moore is Occupy Wall Street hoax in a nut shell.
Seek the truth: - Michael Moore Net Worth $50 Million -

The socialist richest 1% live in their mansions and laugh. - Think Michael Moore -
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posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 10:40 AM
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I guess the Queen of England could sell off some of that land to restart the UK.

Hmmm....

She should sell high right now.




posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 10:51 AM
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Originally posted by COconspiracyguy
Kinda surprised to see the amount of effort by the moderators to downplay this...

I agree.. 2 moderators trying to debunk everything that is said... not much of a conspiracy forum if the moderators are going to spoil the fun! lol

...they must be trying to put us off the scent!



posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 11:00 AM
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Originally posted by benjamin2012

Originally posted by COconspiracyguy
Kinda surprised to see the amount of effort by the moderators to downplay this...

I agree.. 2 moderators trying to debunk everything that is said... not much of a conspiracy forum if the moderators are going to spoil the fun! lol

...they must be trying to put us off the scent!


They should stand their ground and just put the truth out.

It makes more sense.



posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 11:04 AM
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America is magic because we have a financially strong middle class.


I respectfully disagree with you.

The middle class in America is being systematically dismantled.

I volunteer two days a month at a food distribution center/homeless shelter.

Use to be just a few years ago most of our "guests" were drug addicts, Vets, Alcoholics, mentally challenged (Reagan closed 90% of all state run mental institutions in the 80"s) and lazy bums.

Now, day by day we are seeing a huge and I mean mega number of what was once people who owned a home, two cars, kids, dog, middle class neighborhood, good job - all gone.

POOF

One "medical issue", one job insourced, outsourced, one major issue and out you and your kids go onto the street or living in a car, provided said car is paid off for than you're really homeless.

The ones standing in line now for a meal are not your bums, your lag abouts, many just a few years ago were "the middle class".

Don't believe me - go volunteer at a homeless shelter.

Do the research.

The American Dream is dead to most American born people.

Within ten years, if our money and life system does not change drastically you will find in America two classes - rich and poor.

We no longer have a strong middle class.................that's outdated thinking.





I can give you only my own experience.

Had a very technical job, college educated, white collar job.

Worked for the same company, a fortune 500 company, third largest TPA Firm in the World.

Worked for this company for 16 years.

16 "Exceeds expectation reviews" with a accuracy rate of 98%

1 year, 5 months ago my job was outsourced to India.

If my husband (he is 67 with a aorta valve replacement) had not had a excellent job making really good money, we would have lost our house and been homeless.

Background info:

Owned a 13 year old Saturn for 13 years (carpooled). No SUV, no second car.
Had to buy 1 Ford Fusion this year (hybrid good gas mileage) still share............we do not have two cars.
Own a house and town house (had to buy the townhouse from our son so his ex wife wouldn't get it as we paid the mortgage on it anyway because she lost her job)
Have not had a vacation in 15 years
Do not eat out
Do not buy expensive clothes (very rarely buy clothes)
Do not go to a salon...............have learned to do my own hair and nails
Did rescue a dog (my big charity) and she does not eat much nor is she destructive, very good dog.
Do not travel
Do not see movies
I do buy used books, that is my passion
Love wine (not a alcoholic) but now cannot even afford that, we have a set budget on food which leaves no room for "extras, ie: snacks, alcohol, etc"
Do not throw parties or give expensive gifts

And we still have six years to pay off our mortgages.

While our housing value went down, we have a ten room 1963 raised ranch and a 3 bedroom town house (both only have 1-1/2 baths) the taxes on our house went up by $1,000 dollars.

Both homes are in lived in condition but most of you would consider them "needing remodeling".

So there you have it.

Again, me being 57 when my job was outsourced, if I had not had a husband (I have no family/orphaned at 9) I would have been homeless.

And I have been working since I was 10.

No, you are totally wrong, America does not have a strong middle class.......................all our jobs have been given away because the large corporations own our government and our government thus far (Obama is trying to change this) dance to the corporations bidding.
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posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 11:11 AM
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Sorry, i'm right.

The USA does have a financially strong middle class.

Who do you think is paying a very large amount of the taxes?

Who do you think is currently paying $$$ billions in property taxes in all 50 states
this year???

Seek the truth.
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Yes, we are on the ropes right now but believe it or not our best years are ahead
of us. We just need to push a capitalist in the front door of the White House
January 2013.



posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 11:18 AM
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Originally posted by Eurisko2012

Originally posted by COconspiracyguy

Originally posted by Eurisko2012
reply to post by ofhumandescent
 




The United States government has the right and the responsibility to protect its

secrets
The only "rights" the govt has are what are outlined in the Constitution...

Last time I checked, the Constitution doesn't allow the US govt to keep secrets from
it's citizens.



Go check again. It's called national security.

Stop portraying the USA as a bunch of monsters.


Show me in the constitution where secrecy from the people of this country is allowed in the name of National Security...I mean, we have bases where supposedly the President can't even get into, let alone congress..

And the US government no longer serves the people, they serve themselves. The US govt is the monster, not the people.



posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 11:23 AM
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For reasons of national security we cannot give public tours of Area 51.

The technology is dual use technology.

If it got into the wrong hands, it could be used against Israel.



posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 11:29 AM
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Is it a crime for denver to have an airport with secret doorways and secret levels underground when it is not specificly designated as a millitairy complex?

Is there anyway legally to demand a full tour wherever you want at denver airport? Is it not a public building built with tax payers money?

Does the US citizen not have rights when it comes to public-governmental places other than millitairy facillities?

Why can nobody just go in there and have his way with all the levels and doorways?




posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 11:36 AM
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The TV crew went down there and filmed the 4 levels.

What are you looking for? Little Gray aliens?

It's just an airport that's been enlarged into a huge contingency plan. So what?





posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 11:41 AM
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Originally posted by Eurisko2012
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For reasons of national security we cannot give public tours of Area 51.

The technology is dual use technology.

If it got into the wrong hands, it could be used against Israel.


Do you think congress should be allowed to inspect Fort Knox?

How about audit the Fed?



posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 11:51 AM
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Originally posted by COconspiracyguy

Originally posted by Eurisko2012
reply to post by COconspiracyguy
 


For reasons of national security we cannot give public tours of Area 51.

The technology is dual use technology.

If it got into the wrong hands, it could be used against Israel.


Do you think congress should be allowed to inspect Fort Knox?

How about audit the Fed?


What for? What are you looking for?

Fort Knox? There's a lot of gold there. So what?
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Audit the Fed? Sounds good to me.

I don't know if you have heard but the Federal Reserve has become the new - honey pot -
for the liberals. The Dodd Frank bill created the CFPB.

Funding for the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau comes from the Federal Reserve.

Why not have it come from the US congress?

We need to know what else is going on at the Federal Reserve.



posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 12:03 PM
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Originally posted by Eurisko2012

Originally posted by COconspiracyguy

Originally posted by Eurisko2012
reply to post by COconspiracyguy
 


For reasons of national security we cannot give public tours of Area 51.

The technology is dual use technology.

If it got into the wrong hands, it could be used against Israel.


Do you think congress should be allowed to inspect Fort Knox?

How about audit the Fed?


What for? What are you looking for?

Fort Knox? There's a lot of gold there. So what?


What? How do you know how much gold is there? Even congress
hasn't been allowed in since the 70's



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Audit the Fed? Sounds good to me.

I don't know if you have heard but the Federal Reserve has become the new - honey pot -
for the liberals. The Dodd Frank bill created the CFPB.

Funding for the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau comes from the Federal Reserve.

Why not have it come from the US congress?

We need to know what else is going on at the Federal Reserve.


The Federal Reserve would not exist if the govt obeyed the constitution.



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