Judge Has [not] Ruled, Obama [not] Off Of Ballot In Georgia! (erroneous news report)

reply to post by rnaa


To make this ABUNDANTLY clear, who is "The Hearing officer"?

reply to post by captainnotsoobvious

To make this ABUNDANTLY clear, who is "The Hearing officer"?

According to the Scribd documents it is James "Jim" Tenuto. Note also that Mr. Tenuto's recommendations are agreed with by the 'General Counsel' who is not otherwise identified in these documents.

Mr. Tenuto's decisions are recommendations, not trial judgements, and the Scribd document is the Agenda for the 2 February meeting of the Illinois State Board of Elections where those recommendations are/were to be considered.

I do not know Mr. Tenuto's status with the Illinois State Government, if that is what you mean. He does not appear in the listed members of the Elections Board, so I assume he is an independent adjudicator.

In Georgia this role is, by law, filled by a judge. I don't know what is the case in Illinois.

In Australia, administrative hearing officers are often subject matter experts completely independent of the government. I have a friend that is on the Victorian Civil and Administrative Tribunal, to serve on administrative hearings that have an environmental issue component. She had demonstrate her expertise and experience in those areas that she was applying to serve. It took about a year from her application to her appointment. She has a fixed term appointment and can, of course, be reappointed.

Georgia and Victoria examples don't answer how it works in Illinois, of course, but it does show two of the many possible ways that administrative hearing officers 'get the gig'. Come to think of it, Sheriff Joe's Cold Case Posse is sort of the same thing.

Good posts all...

Illinois is his home state so if he failed there, that would be something. Chicago is legendary for political corruption,

and dead people voting.

I am waiting patiently to hear from Georgia. I think it might come early, maybe Friday or Saturday. If Saturday it might be because no one is watching the news then.

Not really finding anything new out there to post. Will leave it to y'all.

73,
K

Originally posted by kawika
Not really finding anything new out there to post.

This will explain how Orly lost (yet again)

reply to post by kawika

Not really finding anything new out there to post. Will leave it to y'all.

Do you consider this news: Georgia OSAH: Final recommendation for the Secretary of State in reference to the Farrar, Weldon, Swensson, Powell Challenges to President Obama's appearance on the Georgia Primary ballot

The money shot:

...
I. Evidentiary arguments...
...The court finds the testimony of the witnesses, as well as the exhibits tendered, to be of little, if any, probative value and thus wholly insufficient to support the Plaintiff's allegations.
...
II. Application of the "Natural born citizen" requirement
...For the purposes of this analysis, the Court considered that President Barack Obama was born in the United States. Therefore, as discussed in Arkeny (SIC), he became a citizen at birth, and is a Natural Born Citizen. Accordingly,

Conclusion

President Barack Obama is eligible as a candidate for the presidential primary election ...

Thank you for playing.

Orly is in meltdown, and is trolling for plaintiff's for Indiana if anyone is interested in self flagellation.

reply to post by rnaa

This is rich.

However, neither Defendant nor his counsel, Michael Jablonski, appeared or answered. Ordinarily, the Court would enter a default order against a party that fails to participate in any stage of a proceeding. Nonetheless, dispite the Defendant's failure to appear, Plaintiffs asked this Court to decide the case on the merits of their arguments and evidence. The Court granted Plaintiffs' request.

www.scribd.com...

"You sure you want me to do this you guys?"
"Yes your honor please do not enter a default order. Please decide the case on the merit of our arguments."
Oops.

Originally posted by rnaa
reply to post by kawika

 

Not really finding anything new out there to post. Will leave it to y'all.

Do you consider this news: Georgia OSAH: Final recommendation for the Secretary of State in reference to the Farrar, Weldon, Swensson, Powell Challenges to President Obama's appearance on the Georgia Primary ballot

The money shot:

...
I. Evidentiary arguments...
...The court finds the testimony of the witnesses, as well as the exhibits tendered, to be of little, if any, probative value and thus wholly insufficient to support the Plaintiff's allegations.
...
II. Application of the "Natural born citizen" requirement
...For the purposes of this analysis, the Court considered that President Barack Obama was born in the United States. Therefore, as discussed in Arkeny (SIC), he became a citizen at birth, and is a Natural Born Citizen. Accordingly,

Conclusion

President Barack Obama is eligible as a candidate for the presidential primary election ...

Thank you for playing.

Orly is in meltdown, and is trolling for plaintiff's for Indiana if anyone is interested in self flagellation.

edit on 3/2/2012 by rnaa because: (no reason given)

Well, I said it, and I meant it.

Now that this court has made its decision, I will no longer question whether Obama meets the definition of "natural born citizen." This decision is good enough for me.

Case closed.

Some people might say they smell rats.

Maybe they bought off the judge.

Chicago has long tentacles

There's no default judgment, no contempt citation. Today (Friday, Feb. 3rd) the Georgia judge ended the circus and decided in Obama's favor:

www.scribd.com...

Originally posted by candcantiques
As I have quoted SEVERAL times in this thread this report comes from those that were INSIDE THE JUDGES CHAMBER prior to the courtroom hearing and the report DIRECTLY from a person who was in the judges chambers is this-->

and it is obvious that they lied, which is normal for birthers!

In other words…we won. Now it’s time for the rest of the States to take my lead and duplicate this effort..

So you think all states should confirm obama is the legal POTUS, and be on all ballots...

The judge has decided. They are awaiting the PUBLISHING of the judges decision.

And we know the judge decided Obama is a naturally born citizen, so is on the ballot....

Just why do people believe birther sites, when they post so many untruths?

reply to post by Phage

"You sure you want me to do this you guys?" "Yes your honor please do not enter a default order. Please decide the case on the merit of our arguments." Oops.

From the comments some place on WND:

“Taitz lost to an empty table?”

Originally posted by rnaa
reply to post by Phage

 

"You sure you want me to do this you guys?" "Yes your honor please do not enter a default order. Please decide the case on the merit of our arguments." Oops.

From the comments some place on WND:

“Taitz lost to an empty table?”

I like the remainder of that comment

That empty table is clearly a communist table made of communist kenyan wood, held together by the screws of socialist oppression. Just send Jerome Corsi and Orly Taitz your life savings and they WILL.BEAT.THAT.TABLE.

Originally posted by candcantiques
Breaking news folks. Obama refused to show up in court today and as a result the judge has decided to reccomend that Obamas name NOT be put on the ballot in the next Presidential election. The Georgia Secretary of State agrees with the court ruling and WILL NOT BE ALLOWING OBAMAS NAME ON THE BALLOT. That means that Obama will recieve ZERO popular vote and ZERO electoral votes from the state of Georgia. Find more on the story HERE---->
giveusliberty1776.blogspot.com...

edit on 1/26/2012 by tothetenthpower because: --Mod Note--All Caps

edit on 1-26-2012 by Springer because: corrected title

 

MOD EDIT:


www.ajc.com...

After hearing evidence with neither President Barack Obama nor his lawyers in attendance, a state administrative law judge on Thursday did not issue a ruling as to whether Obama can be allowed on the state ballot in November.

edit on 27-1-2012 by SkepticOverlord because: revised thread title

I guess Candcantiques has left ATS in shame. I kinda feel bad for the guy. He wanted this to be true sooooo badly.

Judge Rules: Obama to stay on Georgia ballot.

docs.google.com...

Originally posted by Muttley2012
Judge Rules: Obama to stay on Georgia ballot.

docs.google.com...

edit on 4-2-2012 by Muttley2012 because: (no reason given)

Yeah and ain't it sweet? If I were you, I'd stay logged in so that you can respond to all of the incoming post from our little group of ATS birthers, who will be writing any minute now to tell you how wrong they were.

Scratch that, I almost forgot about their "never apologize" policy. They have a harder time saying "I was wrong" than Fonzi did in Happy Days.

If the judge had tried to issue a default judgment it would have been the easiest thing in the world to overturn because there is real doubt that a Georgia administrative court subpoena carries any authority outside the State of Georgia (oddly enough, this was pointed out by Sheriff Joe Arpaio of Phoenix, Ariz, when Taitz tried to subpoena him to get his alleged evidence).

Has anyone who's been badmouthing the judge bothered to read the cases and the law review articles he cited. I'll bet not.

Simple fact: With hundreds of professional documents experts in this country (and in Canada and England, etc.), Taitz went with rank amateurs for their opinions based on an internet image, without seeing the actual paper birth certificate. She also wasted time with issues that weren't relevant. The weakness of all her arguments is emphasized by the fact that she lost to an empty table!

Originally posted by Muttley2012
Judge Rules: Obama to stay on Georgia ballot.

docs.google.com...

You show a commendable restraint by not quoting the sections of the judgement where the Judge says hte wtnesses were not experts and their research was rubbish, and that ther is no doubt that Obama was born in the USA and is therefore a natural born citizen.

Well done.

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul

Originally posted by Muttley2012
Judge Rules: Obama to stay on Georgia ballot.

docs.google.com...

You show a commendable restraint by not quoting the sections of the judgement where the Judge says hte wtnesses were not experts and their research was rubbish, and that ther is no doubt that Obama was born in the USA and is therefore a natural born citizen.

Well done.

Thank you!

No need to lower myself when the document speaks for itself.

"Never argue with a fool; onlookers may not be able to tell the difference." ~ Mark Twain

"Nothing is better settled at the common law than the doctrine that the children, even of aliens,
born in a country, while the parents are resident there under the protection of the government,
and owing a temporary allegiance thereto, are subjects by birth."

That is unless you're a birther. Then, everything, including hundreds of years of legal decisions, are all part of a mega-conspiracy. In fact the entire US constitution is a mega-conspiracy, written by the founding fathers to allow a secret Indonesian Muslim become President of the US of A.

[shakes fist]

DAMN YOU FOUNDING FATHERS!