Judge Has [not] Ruled, Obama [not] Off Of Ballot In Georgia! (erroneous news report), page 51

reply to post by Annee

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There is a book called Animal Farm (George Orwell) , where the animals had a constitution painted on the barn.

And it is fair to start out, but then, at night, it keeps changing to the detriment of the animal citizens.

Good book. You should read it.

Oh, and we have a 4th branch of govt now, the CIA.

I gotta go to work.

K

reply to post by Annee

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That still doesnt explain why you ignored my answer to your own question. Twice now. Lets put it another way, television shows aside: if lawyers are needed to interpret law, then no one but lawyers could be expected to follow the law, so the average person is a helpless victim to the police state until they pay their fortune to a lawyer to explain to them how they broke the law. That sounds fair, for the lawyers. But back to the supreme court, if the SC is the law as you say, considering the SC rules on less than one percent of all cases, you are basically living in a state of anarchy since the SC only makes a ruling when a trial actually goes to the suprem court. So a lower court finds you guilty of a crime, but its not the law until the SC hears it right? Meaning your crime did not actually break the law until the supreme court hears your case. Since you were found guilty in a lower court and there is no need for the trial to go to the suprem court you didnt really break a law. Sounds like selective anarchy to me, right up your alley. I cant wait to see which part of my post you choose to respond to and which part you choose to ignore.

reply to post by filosophia

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The only requirements for presidency of the U.S.:
Being a natural born citizen of the U.S.
Being at least 35 years of age.
Being a permanent resident of the U.S. for at least 14 years.


Read more: wiki.answers.com...
So... this court has no right to keep anyone off the ballad in any state. Thats how I see it

Originally posted by CharlesIAm
reply to post by filosophia

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The only requirements for presidency of the U.S.:
Being a natural born citizen of the U.S.
Being at least 35 years of age.
Being a permanent resident of the U.S. for at least 14 years.


Read more: wiki.answers.com...
So... this court has no right to keep anyone off the ballad in any state. Thats how I see it

the court has that right if he violates one of those conditions. The issue is if he is a natural born citizen or not.

reply to post by filosophia

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But until that has been proven he is still legally seen as a "Natural born citizen" isn't he?

reply to post by filosophia

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It is necessary to know the meaning of the phrase "natural born citizen" and how it is different from other classes of citizens. Obama's problem is that his dad was never a citizen. There is plenty of disagreement on what that phrase means so you may want to dig in and do some reading and decide what you think about it.

Minor v. Happersett , 88 U.S. 162 (1875)

“The Constitution does not in words say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first. For the purposes of this case, it is not necessary to solve these doubts…..”

law2.umkc.edu...

This is precedent on meaning of NATURAL Born Citizen. This Minor v. Happersett has NEVER been overruled.

Barack Hussein Obama claims the Barack Hussein Obama Sr. as his birth father. His father was a British citizen from Kenya and never became a U.S. citizen.

MINOR V. HAPPERSETT IS BINDING PRECEDENT AS TO THE CONSTITUTIONAL DEFINITION OF A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.

Originally posted by filosophia
reply to post by Annee

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That still doesnt explain why you ignored my answer to your own question. Twice now. Lets put it another way, television shows aside: if lawyers are needed to interpret law, then no one but lawyers could be expected to follow the law, so the average person is a helpless victim to the police state until they pay their fortune to a lawyer to explain to them how they broke the law. That sounds fair, for the lawyers.

"Police State"? I thought you wanted me to take you seriously.

People follow or bend laws as they understand them.

When written law is challenged - - then it needs to be interpreted. Lawyers argue what is written applied to the specifics of the challenge. Thus they are interpreting the meaning of something written applied to an actual situation. The written laws are not set in stone - - they are subject to interpretation. They are a framework a "legal base" that can and are challenged - - - often resulting in change.

If law was black and white - - there would be no need for lawyers or interpretation.

Is that how this country works? Obviously not.

reply to post by filosophia

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That's pnly an issue to delusional, paranoid people

reply to post by kawika

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you still pretending that case has any bearing on this???

naturalborncitizenshipresearch.blogspot.com...

Originally posted by kawika
reply to post by filosophia

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It is necessary to know the meaning of the phrase "natural born citizen" and how it is different from other classes of citizens. Obama's problem is that his dad was never a citizen. There is plenty of disagreement on what that phrase means so you may want to dig in and do some reading and decide what you think about it.

Minor v. Happersett , 88 U.S. 162 (1875)

“The Constitution does not in words say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first. For the purposes of this case, it is not necessary to solve these doubts…..”

law2.umkc.edu...

This is precedent on meaning of NATURAL Born Citizen. This Minor v. Happersett has NEVER been overruled.

Barack Hussein Obama claims the Barack Hussein Obama Sr. as his birth father. His father was a British citizen from Kenya and never became a U.S. citizen.

MINOR V. HAPPERSETT IS BINDING PRECEDENT AS TO THE CONSTITUTIONAL DEFINITION OF A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.

edit on 31-1-2012 by kawika because: corectolated spel'n err

edit on 31-1-2012 by kawika because: fixed link

edit on 31-1-2012 by kawika because: add text

THIS RULING DOES NOT EXCLUDE AS NATURAL BORN CITIZENS THOSE WHO WERE BORN IN THE JURISDICTION WITHOUT REFERENCE TO THE CITIZENSHIP OF THEIR PARENTS. Do you not see this in paragraph you provided? It specifically states that there is no need for the purposes of this case to determine that, therefore it is NOT precedent in this situation with Obama.

reply to post by kaylaluv

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Yes it has been pointed out before in this thread that the ruling specifically did not determine what a natural born citizen was - but there's a degree of willful ignorance involved

reply to post by kaylaluv

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EXACTLY!

Only birthers (liars through and through, the kind of people that edit out paragraph that contradict their positions... so people who willingly mislead... at best) would view that case as PRO their insanity.

To others reading this, go here:

naturalborncitizenshipresearch.blogspot.com...

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