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reply posted on 28-1-2012 @ 10:35 AM by Six Sigma
Originally posted by snowcrash911

Sure. However, haven't you read Shapiro's article at Fox News?


Yes, as discussed here:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

So Jeff Shapiro (person A) was told by NYPD officers (person B) and Con Ed workers (person B) that they (persons B) heard Larry Silverstien (person C) was on the phone with his insurance company (person D). Since Silverstein was not at Ground Zero on 911; unable to actually be heard having this conversation, there would have to be a (person E) to have communicated this information back to (person C).

Hearsay is information gathered by Person A from Person B concerning some event, condition, or thing of which Person A had no direct experience. When submitted as evidence, such statements are called hearsay evidence. We have established that in fact the information gathered from Mr. Shapiro is hearsay.

Hearsay.
dictionary.reference.com...


reply posted on 28-1-2012 @ 11:49 AM by snowcrash911
Originally posted by Six Sigma
Originally posted by snowcrash911

Sure. However, haven't you read Shapiro's article at Fox News?


Yes, as discussed here:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

So Jeff Shapiro (person A) was told by NYPD officers (person B) and Con Ed workers (person B) that they (persons B) heard Larry Silverstien (person C) was on the phone with his insurance company (person D). Since Silverstein was not at Ground Zero on 911; unable to actually be heard having this conversation, there would have to be a (person E) to have communicated this information back to (person C).

Hearsay is information gathered by Person A from Person B concerning some event, condition, or thing of which Person A had no direct experience. When submitted as evidence, such statements are called hearsay evidence. We have established that in fact the information gathered from Mr. Shapiro is hearsay.

Hearsay.
dictionary.reference.com...


Yes, it's hearsay. Very intriguing hearsay though, in the context of all the other physical and testimonial evidence. (No need for you and me to go over all of that, I know you will reject everything out of hand, as all 'debunkers' always do)
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reply posted on 28-1-2012 @ 11:20 PM by behindthescenes
Originally posted by GoodOlDave
Originally posted by behindthescenes

I never said it was "common knowledge," only that my source told me about the demolition of WTC7 in an off-handed way as though it was common knowledge. THat's what I meant.


So in other words you're embellishing. You're taking some anonymous person's off the cuff remark and passing it off as if it's every day information. And you wonder why there are people like myself who can't take a single thing you truthers say seriously.


No, it's not "embellishing." It's called "characterizing." And I've been a journalist long enough to have earned the ability to describe a situation and how it appeared to me.



Well, I do hope your friend does have the courage to stop hiding under his bed and release his information. It would necessarily mean it will be the first legitimate bit of information showing conspiracy that doesn't need to rely on the trickery, innuendo dropping, and outright lies the truthers have exclusively relied upon up until now to get people all paranoid over shadows and imaginary boogeymen. I'm not holding my breath, though, as the entire reason the truther movement needs to rely on trickery, innuendo dropping, and outright lies in the first place is specifically because this whole conspiracy bit is baloney and the main proponents are out to make a fast buck off the movement rather than learn the truth about anything. THAT is the true "common knowledge".


I'm crossing my fingers, too. Hopefully corroborated with some documents as well.


reply posted on 28-1-2012 @ 11:23 PM by thedman
reply to post by snowcrash911



The NIST report doesn't acknowledge any long-happening leaning or bulging. Some may have believed it, yes. It may even be true. But it remains officially unacknowledged and unconfirmed.


Deputy Chief Peter Hayden
Division 1 - 33 years

...also we were pretty sure that 7 World Trade Center would collapse. Early on, we saw a bulge in the southwest corner between floors 10 and 13, and we had put a transit on that and we were pretty sure she was going to collapse. You actually could see there was a visible bulge, it ran up about three floors. It came down about 5 o’clock in the afternoon, but by about 2 o’clock in the afternoon we realized this thing was going to collapse.


Is that "unconfirmed" - from incident commander on the scene

FDNY has a specialized collapse unit (Housed at Rescue 3 in Bronx) with instruments to determine if building
is stable . Will use a surveyors teansit fixed on point to see if building is starting to creep or move

By the way geard Chief Hayden speak 6 months afterwards so heard the story of the transit directly from him

Is that confiormation enough or will pull the old truther trick, if doesn't conform with my conspiracy fantasy
simply ignore it....


reply posted on 29-1-2012 @ 02:28 AM by snowcrash911
Originally posted by thedman
reply to
post by snowcrash911
Is that confiormation [sic] enough or will pull the old truther trick, if doesn't conform with my conspiracy fantasy
simply ignore it....


I don't mean this in a bad way, but sometimes I read your stuff, and it looks as if you've had a bit to drink, given the sudden preponderance of unexpected line breaks, incoherence and spelling errors.

Don't try to pigeon-hole me as a "conspiracy theorist", thedman, I might as well pigeon-hole you as a coincidence or incompetence theorist.

The bulging and leaning is not in the NIST report. If you want it in (and I'm not against it at all), and part of the official acknowledged explanation of WTC 7's collapse, I suggest you contact NIST and lobby for it. Good luck with that.



reply posted on 29-1-2012 @ 02:43 AM by thedman
reply to post by Tw0Sides



WTC 7 was mentioned only in passing in 911 commission report - simple reason was that was not part of
their scopr.

The commision was established to investigate the intelligence failures which allowed the hijackers to secure
visas, live unmolested for year and half, take flight training and carry out attacks.

The National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States, also known as the 9/11 Commission, was set up on November 27, 2002, "to prepare a full and complete account of the circumstances surrounding the September 11 attacks", including preparedness for and the immediate response to the attacks.

The commission was also mandated to provide recommendations designed to guard against future attacks
.


WTC 7 was "collateral damage" - not one of the original targets, but caught in the collapse of North Tower

Most of the other buildings in WTC complex was also collaperal damage - WTC 3 (Marriott Hotel), WTC 4,5,6
were all damaged by debris from collapse of towers and subsequent fires


reply posted on 29-1-2012 @ 02:53 AM by thedman
reply to post by snowcrash911



One I dont drink....

Am "keyboard challenged" which may account for disjointed style - maybe should overlook that and
concentrate on the points trying to make

As for NIST omission of that - cant explain why omitted, but does not mean was secret

Took me about 30 sec to find quotes from Chief Hayden

Was well established that FDNY abandoned WTC 7 around noon do to structural damage suffered and no water
was available to fight spreading fires

No sense putting men in danger for empty building , considering search and rescue operations going on at
towers


reply posted on 29-1-2012 @ 06:08 AM by psyop911
Originally posted by GoodOlDave
Originally posted by behindthescenes

I never said it was "common knowledge," only that my source told me about the demolition of WTC7 in an off-handed way as though it was common knowledge. THat's what I meant.


So in other words you're embellishing. You're taking some anonymous person's off the cuff remark and passing it off as if it's every day information. And you wonder why there are people like myself who can't take a single thing you truthers say seriously.

Well, I do hope your friend does have the courage to stop hiding under his bed and release his information. It would necessarily mean it will be the first legitimate bit of information showing conspiracy that doesn't need to rely on the trickery, innuendo dropping, and outright lies the truthers have exclusively relied upon up until now to get people all paranoid over shadows and imaginary boogeymen. I'm not holding my breath, though, as the entire reason the truther movement needs to rely on trickery, innuendo dropping, and outright lies in the first place is specifically because this whole conspiracy bit is baloney and the main proponents are out to make a fast buck off the movement rather than learn the truth about anything. THAT is the true "common knowledge".


dude, stop blowing bubbles from your arse.
lol.

and watch tv footage from 9/11/01.
again and again and again.
and again.

by the way, your guvmnit made far much moneys off of 9/11 than any truther
ever has (or will, although that argument is just another one coming from debunkers
because they are pathetic and they're outnumbered and are feeling cornered), so if
you are so "concerned" about moneys, maybe you should grow a pair and go after
the big boys. eh? but that means you need to first pull your head from your arse.
but, your head doesn't want to, right?
edit on 29-1-2012 by psyop911 because: (no reason given)



reply posted on 29-1-2012 @ 02:26 PM by GoodOlDave
Originally posted by behindthescenes


I'm crossing my fingers, too. Hopefully corroborated with some documents as well.


Well, here's something to light a fire under his butt...if he really isn't just mindlessly quoting some sexy sounding thing he read on one of these damned fool conspiracy web sites and he genuinely has insider information, hit means he has evidence of a coverup that got 3000 innocent people killed. If *I* knew the identity of someone who murdered 3000 I'd be sure as shootin' be calling it in to crimestoppers. Why is HE protecting the identity of a bunch of murderers? He won't' even need to come forward directly. He can go to any one of those mass media conspiracy theorists with their own personal media empires, like Alex Jones or Richard Gage, and let the secret gov't agents assassinate them.

In case you didn't know this before you posted this...and it sounds like you didn't...those of us who come here to put these conspiracy theories under the light of reason and critical analysis don't have anything to lose if genuine information proving conspiracy comes to light, other than maybe eating some crow. You truthers on the other hand have a LOT to lose by playing the Senator McCarthy routine and claiming "you have inside information about 9/11 on that piece of paper in your hand" because sooner or later you're going to need to show what you've got. Up until now all you have is the make believe you're getting off those damned ool conspiracy web sites so I hope for your sake this isn't just a game you're playing out of last resort desperation..
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