Newt or Mitt who would you vote for if it came down to those two for the nomination?

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haha yeah the last debate however there was cheering and booing, not Newt's best performence...but we will see soon enough...:-)

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Fully agree, where are the mods...? please remove any reference to voting for RP please to keep the thread fair to the poster and the rest of us that follow the rules...

MarineSniper

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Oh, I think Newt will carry Florida handily. I also think Paul will do better than expected, although he may not do well enough to take 2nd place.

Florida just seems like a place well-suited for Newts style. He is Conservative enough to carry the Northern Parts, he is bold and entertaining enough to carry South Florida, and he is religious enough to carry the Jews and Christians, and we have a lot of those old retirees from up North.

We'll see though.

Originally posted by getreadyalready
All the Ron Paul threads bug me as much as anybody, so I get the reasoning behind the request, but it doesn't make for much of a discussion does it?

I see lots of short threads, so not sure why that should be the issue. Wouldn't it be worthwhile to at least take a shot at maintaining a thread sans Paul supporters, if that's the premise? How do you know it doesn't make for much of a discussion? Has it been tried?

Originally posted by marinesniper0351
reply to post by MrDesolate

 

Fully agree, where are the mods...? please remove any reference to voting for RP please to keep the thread fair to the poster and the rest of us that follow the rules...

MarineSniper

The OP's "request" is not a "rule."

This is a discussion forum, and like it or not, when choosing between Mitt or Newt, the other candidates, and Obama are all part of the equation.

There is another forum, in "Off-Topic" where someone can just post a thread for their favorite candidate, and everyone can discuss the pros and cons of that candidate, but this thread is in the 2012 Elections forum, and the election is not just between 2 candidates, and even if it were narrowed down to those 2 candidates, there would still be the issues of write-ins, and people that choose to not vote, and people that choose to vote independent.

Even in November, when threads pop up about the GOP and DEM nominees, there will still be interest in RP, and Independents, and staying home and not voting at all, and prepping for armageddon if someone's candidate doesn't win.

Originally posted by MrDesolate

Originally posted by getreadyalready
All the Ron Paul threads bug me as much as anybody, so I get the reasoning behind the request, but it doesn't make for much of a discussion does it?

I see lots of short threads, so not sure why that should be the issue. Wouldn't it be worthwhile to at least take a shot at maintaining a thread sans Paul supporters, if that's the premise? How do you know it doesn't make for much of a discussion? Has it been tried?

edit on 1/27/12 by MrDesolate because: Quote box

This thread is 14 pages long, with tons of great replies. It really should have a lot more flags, I went back and flagged it, and others should have done the same once they realized they were going to participate so heavily, but I don't believe the OP is complaining about the success of their thread.

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Thread topic-

Newt or Mitt who would you vote for if it came down to those two for the nomination?

So taking it off-topic is ok as long as there are a lot of replies. Got it. The sheer volume of Paulites on this site are a guarantee that Paul cannot be off topic in any thread.

Originally posted by MrDesolate
reply to post by getreadyalready

 

Thread topic-

Newt or Mitt who would you vote for if it came down to those two for the nomination?

So taking it off-topic is ok as long as there are a lot of replies. Got it. The sheer volume of Paulites on this site are a guarantee that Paul cannot be off topic in any thread.

If the topic were "Vanilla or Strawberry, what is your favorite ice cream?" Would everyone that said "Chocolate" be off-topic? Of course not, it is a valid answer, there are more than 2 flavors of ice cream.

Originally posted by jjf3rd77
This is solely for republicans not supporting Ron Paul and for those not voting for Obama. Personally I am voting for Newt. Newt is a smart man (although far from perfect) I do not think the republicans are expecting any body as "Perfect" as Obama was made out to be from the MSM in 2007 and 2008. Newt will turn the economy around--as he had already. He will create jobs as he did under two Presidents. He is against SOPA and wants the space program back!

So, I would like to know which portion of the ATS actually has any practical sense to vote Newt or Mitt in, since they can win and one of them will be the nominee

There is so many slandering posts of each candidate in the race, so I say, put all that aside for a minute and think about the positive aspects of the two candidates who will be up for the nomination!

Again this post is not for Ron Paul supporters. I want to hear from supporters of both Mitt and Newt. NOT RON PAUL.. I hope the mods keep a close eye on this post!

edit on 26-1-2012 by jjf3rd77 because: (no reason given)

As a recovering Republican I gave up considering any of the GOP long ago, though Ron Paul is in many respects a refreshing break from the reactionary right, the hypocrites like Newt and general social controllers who think they should tell us how to live and what to believe disgust me. And the Republicans are saying that Obama wants to control your life, people are stupid enough to call Obama a socialist? What are they smoking? Did people forget about the fascist "patriot act" enacted under GW? How about the wars under the last Republican, Obama got us out of Iraq and we are more respected in the world for acting in a "rational, non-preachy" way since Obama was elected. I can't believe anyone would vote for Newt. He took about $2m and change as an "historian"? And this is OK to you? He sold his influence, is the poster boy for moral bankruptcy, a liar and disgrace to this nation. And this to you is OK, you would vote for him. I am not religious, something Republicans trip over themselves to be holier then thou. If enough people feel this way God help us all.

So you guys are fighting about getting your say to talk about your man Paul, when if we even breathe the words Newt or Romney on the Paul threads you all come in there and attack us and call us government shills. You say we need to be educated and that Ron Paul is the only hope! Double Standard much???

Please I'll be laughing when the world is still here four years from now. You have to admit that there are tons of Ron Paul spammers on this site, but you state that they aren't spamming they are voice their opinions, or they have passion for their man. You say freedom to voice your opinions about Paul, but this is my OP! And I don't really want that crap off because I have already written him off. your not going to convince me to vote for Paul. I'll vote santorum, before I vote for Paul, maybe even Obama.

Well, if you read the OP, I clearly stated that this is for republicans you know 50% of the population, that are are voting republican in the primary. It WILL come down to Newt and Romney. And I wanted to know opinions about those two guys and those two guys only!!! I am happy that the Paulites seem to have disappeared from this page with people yelling at them! But the mods have not looked at this site and labelled things like, "Ron Paul 2012" single line as off topic, since it DOESN"T have any relevance to this discussion. Even if you write in Ron Paul, it wouldn't matter!

The Obama campaign is ready to handle a Romney nomination. However, Newt can stir things up here if he plays his cards right.

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Of course I don't Mod in any of the pro or anti RP threads, it wouldn't be right. But there are many Mods, probablly the majority of Mods that agree with you, and do not plan on voting for RP. You are correct about those 1-line responses, and you are also correct about being attacked in other threads, so please use the alert or complaint buttons to alert the mods to those posts, and they will be taken care of.

It WILL come down to Newt and Romney. And I wanted to know opinions about those two guys and those two guys only!!

As for this, I think you are completely wrong. Both of these guys are ingrained in the GOP, and Newt has failed to qualify for some of the delegates. If Newt is not a very, very clear leader after Super Tuesday, he will probably drop and endorse Romney. I can't see Romney dropping, but if Newt is just so far ahead, then Romney will probably drop and endorse Newt. Ron Paul is not going to drop out of the race, he will hang around until the RNC. Santorum is going to run out of money at some point. SO, it is more likely to be a 3-way race, or a 2-way race with Newt and Romney backing one another against RP. Paul won't run out of money, and he won't drop and endorse another candidate, and I really don't think he'll run as an Independent, so he will be there all the way to the RNC.

The Obama campaign is ready to handle a Romney nomination. However, Newt can stir things up here if he plays his cards right.

Obama will crush Newt with Newt's own words from the last 25 years. He will crush him just like Romney is crushing him on the Fannie and Freddie stuff. He will show where Newt has endorsed things he is currently criticizing Obama for. He will show where Newt voted for things that he is now criticizing Obama for. Pelosi supposedly has damaging information on Newt, but she is saving it until after he gets the nomination.

Newt cannot beat Obama. He is too damaged. He left the Speaker position in disgrace, and now he is the golden boy again? Obama will have him for lunch.

I just finished watching the debate. I'm not sure Newt told the truth to a single question in this debate. I think he's toast, he was ousted many times last night. If that performance didn't seal his fate he'll go on to win the nomination. He was terrible.

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Exactly, but I think your scenario of Ron Paul is a little skewed but that is your opinion. Again, as I have said, I am specifically talking about this scenario. You can make a thread about Newt or Mitt VS Paul if you want. But this thread is specifically about Newt VS Mitt. Which is pretty much what its gotten down to. One of these men will win the nomination and the other will try very hard to win. Ron Paul has even said, he isn't very concerned about winning and doesn't see himself in the White House. It's the largest scam in the book. As he stated, he is selling his message and Ron Paul fans are eating it up!!!!! Nothing wrong with it, I just don't believe it. Just like I don't believe in Santorum's message, or Obama's.

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I hope so, I like Newt personally and hope he causes the GOP (mgmt) heartburn with a Florida win...if I were another country I would be worried about pissing off Newt...

Then again I am a Marine, war mongering, gay hating, racist, baby killer...etc... thought I would add this before anyone else attacked me with this non-sense...

Sniper

This really is a tough question for me, I think Newt Gingrich is absolute trash and has no character as evidenced by how he treated his wife. I however don't like Mitt Romney and his profiteering ways. I think I would actually vote for Newt though he actually seems like he has enough leadership potential to turn people towards his ideals. Evidenced by South Carolina. But at the end of the day neither are really good candidates, Newt is holding onto former glory from the Clinton administration which would have made any economy conscious politician look good. The 90's technology boom was in full swing so the economy looked great. So I don't know if he really can do what he says. He also a big war supporter and even quoted Andrew Jackson about enemies "kill them." Total slime

However Mitt Romney represents what most people hate about our time, a rich man getting richer by stepping on the weaker and poorer. I just can't stand those tactics and makes it seem like he will go after what HE wants and through anyone in the way under the bus. Romney just isn't a good leader when confronted by a challenger he quivers and loses evidenced by South Carolina. Romney is not a good leader and really doesn't set his goals out well. I'll have to go with Newt tentatively for now in these constraints set forth by the OP.

Originally posted by Kaploink
If I had to choose between either one of them, I would stay home. Ron Paul is the only decent Republican candidate left.

Ditto. Took the words right outta my mouth.

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Remember one thing, Obama can bash Newt all he wants for things that happened 25 years ago, BUT Obama will have to contend with the crap he has been spewing the last 3 years...most people will remember the last 3 years as some of the worst years ever for our country over 25 years ago... (short attention span),...

Newt will eat Obama alive in a debate...to believe otherwise is daydreaming...

MHO...

Sniper

Originally posted by marinesniper0351
reply to post by getreadyalready

 

Remember one thing, Obama can bash Newt all he wants for things that happened 25 years ago, BUT Obama will have to contend with the crap he has been spewing the last 3 years...most people will remember the last 3 years as some of the worst years ever for our country over 25 years ago... (short attention span),...

Newt will eat Obama alive in a debate...to believe otherwise is daydreaming...

MHO...

Sniper

Yup couldn't have said it better myself and I salute marines I don't call them warmongers

Glad to see some constructive non-Paul conversations going on here!

Originally posted by marinesniper0351
Newt G, so much more intelligent and entertaining to watch him speak and he seems like a bull dog with THICK SKIN... : )

He eats alot of barley just like the Roman gladiators which helps deposit a thick layer of fat to cushion blows.

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They represent the break between neocon and rich man.

I see no reason why I would wish to support wither.