Monroe's internist, Dr. Hyman Engelberg,told the D.A.'s investigators that he had prescribed only one of the medications that killedher. If so, asks Karch, where did the other medications come from? The records arecontradictory on how the police and coroner's staff handled the many drugs found at thehouse. A coroner's document indicates that nothing was removed from the scene. Thebedside table was still littered with pill bottles the following day; Monroe's businessmanager, Inez Melson, the first person allowed access after the police left, told me shesimply threw them away. Why, then, do other documents indicate that eight medicationcontainers were analyzed at the coroner's laboratory?
Not long before she died, a D.A.'s report shows, Monroe discussed suicide with an actressfriend, Jeanne Carmen. Were she ever to kill herself, she said, she "would dress in a whitenightgown, take an overdose of pills and go to bed. The sheets and spread would be whiteand she would have her hair and makeup done. A friend would be informed of the suicide tomake sure that after her death she was neatly positioned and the bedroom was in order."
Monroe seemed to gravitate to left-wingers. Her doctors, psychiatrist Greenson and internistEngelberg, had both been involved with the Communist Party. Her housekeeper's brother-in-law Churchill Murray, who introduced Monroe to diplomats in Mexico, was a member of the group of Communists in exile there. Field deemed Monroe's politics "excellent." She wasof the left, odd though it may seem to a public that recalls only the blond bimbo of hermovies. Her psychiatrist's daughter, Joan Greenson, told me that Monroe was "passionateabout equal rights, rights for blacks, rights for the poor. She identified strongly with theworkers." The FBI, a document shows, deemed her to be "very positively and concisely leftist"
While in Mexico, the FBI learned, Monroe chattered about the night she met Robert Kennedyand the long political conversation they had. She told José Bolaños and Field that they haddebated U.S. policy on Cuba.
No foreign policy issue was more sensitive than Cuba in early 1962. The Cuban missile crisiswas only months away. Robert Kennedy was directing secret American attempts tooverthrow Castro, and anything he said on the subject would have been of interest to theCubans and the Soviets. Some of the American Communists in Mexico City, the newdocuments indicate, were in touch with Soviet-bloc embassies.
When she was found dead, according to her psychiatrist, Monroe had a phone "clutchedfiercely in her right hand." Whom had she been calling as she slipped into unconsciousness?Los Angeles chief of detectives Thad Brown told Virgil Crabtree, the U.S. Treasury's assistantchief of intelligence in Los Angeles, that a White House number, scrawled on a piece of crumpled paper, had been found in the dead woman's bedclothes. "It was determined,"Brown's aide, Inspector Kenneth McCauley, told me, "that she had called John Kennedy justbefore she died"
"The toxic level was so high she would have had to take 60 to 70 pills,"
But there's a niggle... was it Bob Kennedy in the car that was pulled over?
If so, then what was he doing there?
A senior forensic pathologist consulted by the D.A.’s office took the view that the original medical findings on Monroe were accurate. In an interview this year, though, Dr. Steven Karch, a retired assistant medical examiner for the city of San Francisco, pointed out what he sees as troubling flaws in the forensic evidence. Monroe’s internist, Dr. Hyman Engelberg, told the D.A.’s investigators that he had prescribed only one of the medications that killed her. If so, asks Karch, where did the other medications come from? The records are contradictory on how the police and coroner’s staff handled the many drugs found at the house. A coroner’s document indicates that nothing was removed from the scene. The bedside table was still littered with pill bottles the following day; Monroe’s business manager, Inez Melson, the first person allowed access after the police left, told me she simply threw them away. Why, then, do other documents indicate that eight medication containers were analyzed at the coroner’s laboratory?
Most disquieting is the fate of specimens taken from Monroe’s body during the autopsy. When Dr. Noguchi asked the head toxicologist to test tissue samples, he told the D.A.’s staff years later, he was told they had already been “destroyed.” Why? Toxicologist Dr. Raymond Abernethy refused to comment when I asked him for an explanation. “The last thing in the world you do is dispose of tissue,” Dr. Karch says today. “To throw away the tissue is, I think, astonishingly damning. There’s no justification, because you never know when you might want to go back and look again.”
Given such irregularities, Karch adds, “you can’t rule out the possibility that Marilyn Monroe was murdered. If I had my druthers, I would classify this death as ‘undetermined causes.’ To me — and I’m not by nature a conspiracy theorist — the circumstances of her death remain a mystery.”
By the time he and his superior got to Monroe’s house on the night of her death, Byron remembered, Dr. Greenson was gone. Milton Rudin, the attorney Monroe shared with Frank Sinatra, was there, and seemed to be in charge. “He’d probably told Mrs. Murray, ‘Don’t say anything,’ ” Byron told me. “My feeling was that it had all been rehearsed.” As for Rudin and Dr. Engelberg, the officer said, “There was a lot more they could have told us … I didn’t feel they were telling the correct time or situation.”
I asked former Assistant D.A. Carroll why his office had not interviewed Byron. “It beats me,” he responded. “We had his written reports. Still, he should have been interviewed.”
Both Byron and Clemmons suspected that the witnesses were covering up something in particular: the time frame of events on the death night. The account of one witness — yet another person the D.A.’s staff did not get to — suggests that suspicion was well founded.
The housekeeper and doctors claimed that Monroe was found dead at around 3:30 a.m. Their testimony is badly shaken, though, by an interview I conducted in 1985 with Natalie Jacobs, widow of Monroe’s press spokesman Arthur Jacobs. Word that the actress was dead reached the Jacobses, Natalie told me, while she and her husband were attending a Henry Mancini concert at the Hollywood Bowl. The concert was over by 11 p.m., which means some insiders learned Monroe was dead by then, at the very latest.
After my book was published, Juliet Roswell, a former employee of Jacobs, corroborated his widow’s statement. In an interview with me, she said her boss told her that he “went out there [to Monroe's home] at 11 o’clock.”
I've been wanting to write up this thread for a while now admittedly, only failing to make it until now due to being distracted by other topics which I also happen to find quite interesting. But this case in particular, the Marilyn Monroe case, is one I've always found to be a particularly fascinating one, ever since I read this thread posted by ATS member Themythlives a few years ago now in fact. This thread being one of the reasons why I stuck around ATS in the first place. Even so, In the past I've gone to the trouble of writing up threads similar to this case, such as this one on Lee Bowers or this one on Dorothy Kilgallen for example, as well as quite a few more - But now though I've finally got round to this thread giving my own thoughts, opinions and theories looking at the hidden story of one of the most well known names of the last 50 years, Marilyn Monroe.
Originally posted by Rising Against
Thanks for the heads up still. I talk to Myth on skype from time to time, he's a very smart young man. His thread's were also always great to read.
Originally posted by QueenofWeird
My guess, she used her last night a suppository. She needed more but was to groggy and needed help. The maid prob. inserted an extra one or more. This killed her, cardiac arrest. She felt guilty and made up the whole light under door story. The people who had visited Marilyn (Kennedy etc). didn't want to be implicated in this tragedy and Kennedy most certainly didn' want to be outed as a adulterer.
Originally posted by A boy in a dress
reply to post by Rising Against
With old Joe Kennedy being involved with the Mafia and boot-legging booze
during the Prohibition years, it's no wonder that when Jack stepped into his
older-brother's shoes and wandered onto the political stage, the Mob would
come a-calling for favours.
Presumably, the Kennedy family would attempt to distance themselves from
organised crime and this would have ruffled a few feathers.
Bobby wanted to 'clean house' and with Jack being a womaniser that the media
were reluctant to broadcast, what better way than to drop a blonde bombshell in
the President's lap and watch him sink deeper into the mire.
Bobby also whet's his beak in the Munroe waters and realises that the Mafia would
now have two Kennedy's in their pocket, on top of Marilyn's little black-book and
loose-lips... it's a recipe for blackmail and something has to be done.