I had a personal request, where my research was leading me to a dead end (not surprisingly, since I'm mostly an armchair scholar, or more accurately,
a computer-chair historian
), not like some of you guys with your detailed actual books and stuff. If I am able to complete the research properly, I
might be able to post the stuff I learnt over here, which may possibly interest some of you. I dunno.
So the thing I am trying to find out is the ancestry of King Saul. 1 Chronicles
would be the most obvious place to start, but that passage is REALLY confusing
. What confuses it even MORE is that
1 Samuel 14:51
conflict with this.
1 Chronicles 8, 29 to 33 gives it as Jehiel being the father of Ner, who was the father of Kish who was the father of Saul.
1 Samuel 9 and 14 gives it as Aphiah, being the father of Bechorath, who was the father of Zeror, who was the father of Abiel, who was the father of
Kish, who was the father of Saul.
Confusing it more, is that fact that 1 Samuel 14 says that the commander of Saul’s army was Abner, son of Ner, who was Saul’s UNCLE (Saul’s
father Kish and Abner’s father Ner were sons of Abiel).
Now I swear, I am not doing this topic as yet another "THE BIBLE IS CONTRADICTORY LOL!!111!!!" topic, so I searched around, and according to
, the 1 Samuel 9 version is correct, with Ner and Kish being sons of
So okay. Now it says that Abiel was son of Zeror, son of Bechorath, son of Aphiah, who was of the "family of Matri". I do not know the significance of
Matri, who s/he was, and how it relates to the Tribe of Benjamin in general. Could someone please help tell me which branch of the Tribe of Benjamin
the Matrites are from?
This link from a Biblical genealogy website
details Saul's ancestors and Benjamin's
descendants, but I see no way to connect the two at all, nor any person called Matri.
Now I am not EXPECTING a completely connected genealogy, I suppose that may not be possible (although considering the importance the Jews of the time
placed on lineage, it may be possible), but some sort of better connection than what I have now (shown below) would really be appreciated. Even if you
could clarify which of the displayed branches in the Bible Genealogy website I linked is the one that goes to Saul, that'd be really helpful!
(Documented all the way back to Adam)->Abraham->Isaac->Jacob->Benjamin->...->Aphiah->Bechorath->Zeror->Abiel->Kish->Saul
PS: And yeah, if your response is "the Bible is fake, you won't get any clear answers, it isn't true at all, etc., etc., thanks, that IS truly a
perfectly valid response, but is really not helpful to me. So I am operating under the assumption that the Bible (or the related scholarly work or
research) CAN be helpful or useful for me in this situation. If you like, you can take it as me investigating the cultural history and mythology of
edit on 26-1-2012 by babloyi because: (no reason given)