Obama/Soros Pushing Class Warfare

reply to post by Tw0Sides

How is this Class warfare , when you so correctly point out, Everyone will pay this Tax?

EASY…watch the video in the OP.

Obama is trying to rally all of us against millionaires by calling cap gains tax a “millionaire tax” when in fact it is a tax on anyone who earns a living and invests.

Are you a millionaire? I’m surely not, but if the cap gains rate goes from 15% to 30% that means all of us will pay 30% when we draw from our cap gains!

reply to post by seabag


So what it really is , is a new tax on everyone, sold to the General Population as a Tax on the Rich.

Obama is a lieing sack of ..... , This is not new news, hes a Politician.

Probably followed with some kind of new consumer tax, and cuts in spending, probably Military.

We broke my friend, sucks to be us, but if nothing is done to turn the tide, it will truly suck for our children.

reply to post by Tw0Sides

Exactly right!

The Buffett rule is rooted in the fairy tale that taxes on the wealthy are lower than on the middle class. In fact, the Congressional Budget Office notes that the effective income tax rate of the richest 1% is about 29.5% when including all federal taxes such as the distribution of corporate taxes, or about twice the 15.1% paid by middle-class families.

This is because wealthy tax filers make most of their income from investments. Such income is taxed once at the corporate rate of 35% and again when it is passed through to the individual as a capital gain or dividend at 15%, for a highest marginal tax rate of about 44.75%.

This double taxation is one reason the U.S. has long had a differential tax rate for capital gains. Another reason is because while taxpayers must pay taxes on their gains, they aren't allowed to deduct capital losses (beyond $3,000 a year) except against gains in the current year.

So if you lose money you can’t deduct it, but if you make money you pay more taxes? It’s already an unfair system…so we should double the rate??

Class warfare is a ploy! They’re trying to dupe us all. Obama is using this for political reasons and people like Soros, who funds Obama, are using this as a means to collapse the system.

in a time of the highest deficits since World War II, Mr. Obama wants to double the capital gains tax rate even as he raises the top income-tax rate to 42% or so. Mr. Obama really is taking us back to the worst habits of the 1970s. And not because he thinks higher rates will raise revenue, but merely so he can score points against Mitt Romney and stick it to the successful.

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More money for the Government. These wars ain't cheap.

In 1933 a majority of Germans voted for a demagogue who promised "change" and seemed to be the answer to their economic and national problems. None of those voters could have foreseen that 12 years later Germany would lie in ruins and be occupied by foreign armies.

CLENCHED FIST -A SIGN OF REBELLION
www.google.co.uk...=0

1. When you understand that this sign is of communism and compare it to:
"because he shakes his fist at God and vaunts himself against the Almighty,"
2. The clenched fist is symbolic of a rebellious spirit and anger toward God.
3. "The raised fist (also known as the clenched fist) is a salute most often used by left-wing activists, such as: Marxists, anarchists, socialists, communists, pacifists, feminists, trade unionists, and black nationalists. The raised fist is usually regarded as an expression of solidarity, strength, or defiance." fanaticforjesus.blogspot.com...
4. "Why do the nations conspire and the peoples plot in vain? The kings of the earth (governments) rise up and the rulers band together against the LORD and against his anointed, saying, “Let us break their chains and throw off their shackles.” - Psalm 2:1-3

SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN - THOSE WHO CALL THEMSELVES JEWS, BUT WHO ARE NOT
1. Communism was solely the invention of the Jews. — Sir Winston Churchill London Illustrated Herald (February 8, 1920)
2. Because of the Jewish ownership of the Western media, all the emphasis is put on the crimes of the Nazis (financed and instigated by "SoS Jews") instead of the Russian Holocaust (financed and instigated by "SoS Jews."). The horrors of the Red Terror are ignored in favour of the Nazi Holocaust to further the agenda of "SoS Jews". Twenty million people, mostly White Christians, were slaughtered in the most evil sadistic methods.
3. Vladimir Lenin - crypto Jew
    Trotsky - Jew Lev Bronstein
    Stalin - half Jewish
    Karl Marx - Jew Moses Levy Mordecai
4 From Lenin to Putin, we have a straight-line succession of Jewish Cabalism under the guise of Communism and now, "Democratic Capitalism" under Gorbachev, Yeltsin and Putin.
5. Churchill went on to emphasize that this "worldwide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilization, and the reconstruction of society...has been steadily growing." Now, he warns, this band of thugs and murders "have become the undisputed masters of the enormous Russian empire." www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

REMOVE BIBLICAL MORALITY AND GOD BY LABELLING IT AS OUT-DATED
1. “The best revolutionary is a youth devoid of morals.” —Vladimir Lenin
2. Communist Goals (1963) Congressional Record--Appendix, pp. A34-A35 January 10, 1963 -45 steps to communism:
Step 25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV
Step 26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."
Step 27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch." (how many times a day do you see or post this comment yourself here on ATS, never thinking that it's been put there through propaganda?)
3. Calls for the removal of "under God" from the pledge of Allegiance, which incidentally was inserted to combat communism.
4. The number of the Beast's name is 666. The number 6 is man, triple six signifies the complete man in opposition to God.
5. "We are redefining in practical terms the immutable ideals that have guided us from the beginning." - President Bill Clinton
6. " At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people."
[Matthew 24:11]


"PUBLIC EDUCATION"
"Barack Obama taught the principles of Saul Alinsky in Chicago." Saul Alinsky was an American community organizer and writer, who incidentally dedicated his book to Lucifer. Note exactly what Obama is teaching these dumbed down students www.thegatewaypundit.com...

2. Step 17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks. (1963 Congressional Record)

Step 28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."
(1963 Congressional Record)

DISCREDIT THE FOUNDING FATHERS
(just take a look at the increasing number of posts and threads spouting these very same criticisms:

1. Step 29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis. (1963 Congressional Record 45 steps to communism)
 
Step 30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man." (1963 Congressional Record 45 steps to communism)

SOCIAL /CLASS WARFARE
1. Obama sent his Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton, on a mission to China to beseech them to continue buying U.S. debt... and what did she use for collateral? Our children's lives and property.
2. Middle class and manufacturing jobs, by the millions, have been sent overseas (mainly to China) as our citizens, used to comfortable paying jobs, now struggle to find retail paying jobs.
3. Youngsters, as evidenced here on ATS, express a rabid HATRED of the elderly retirees, calling them anything from parasites to leeches, yet they are of the last generation who learned the work ethic which has been all but removed from the youngest generation.
4. Godless communism, the Biblical end time Beast as perpetrated by the Synagogue of Satan, those that call themselves "Jews", but who are not, are the players in this grand deception. They understand it is a dangerous and risky undertaking, for they are vastly outnumbered. If average Americans woke up and understood their true agenda, there would be an uprising of revolutionary proportions. Hence the need to fracture societies along racial, religious and economic lines - all to keep the populace divided. 
5. Tactics such as demonising the opposition and controlling people through disinformation and fear is critical as they conceal their true agenda. Patriots and God fearing folk are now considered possible terrorists and a threat to law enforcement. 
6. "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge;" Because they refuse to turn to God for Truth, they are blinded.


I know that all of this is not necessarily exactly on topic, but I'm hoping that if seen together, it might trigger many to understand why we are approaching the end times. Do youngsters today understand that they spew Anti-God and Anti-Jesus statements without realising that they have been drip fed propaganda in order to accomplish the end time kingdom? Do people understand that God has been removed from them on purpose, that it wasn't their decision? Why is this important to understand? 
1. The end time evil comes against Israel. But if you understand that Israel are Christians, not a Jewish state in the Middle East, perhaps it will get through to you WHO is the target - everyone sitting in a western predominantly Christian nation.
2. Why is this important to us? Because all those who take the "Mark" are those who by their actions (hands) and by their thoughts and beliefs (forehead), subscribe to this humanism that states that man is above God. Communism, fascism, Marxism etc are Anti-God. That's why it's coming to a population that has been stripped of Biblical morality and a belief in God. This last generation doesn't stand a chance if they don't stop and understand why it is that they believe the things that they do. If even one person sees this and understands that God promises Truth to those who earnestly seek Him with a humbled heart, then we could have an awake populace. Don't look to the churches as they are almost all corrupted from within by false doctrines, producing Christians who disgust most. If you can't understand why that's been done, just watch out for the many comments here on ATS in support of their extermination (Communist/Satanic propaganda). 
Class warfare is here and getting worse because our youngest generation are now being indoctrinated as the revolutionaries in the end time Beast. Generations are being pitted against each other for a REASON. Jesus said "Every kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand."

Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by mastahunta

All that aside,

the elite business men of the world will use you and your ideas to extract all the money from this
nation, people like you and me and then invest those gains in a cheaper, flowering market
which will work tirelessly to conquer this country. This is a newer practice and it will eliminate
the lifestyle we cultivate unless we are recognize that the best business model available is
horrible for Americans and America

edit on 26-1-2012 by mastahunta because: (no reason given)

No. Not all that aside. This topic is about the governrment pushing the class warfare meme. They want more money. They will do whatever it takes to secure more money.

You see government as Santa. Kind, benevolent, and there to absolve you of any responsibility.

I see government like a prostate exam.
Painful, intrusive, uncomfortable, but sometimes necessary.

You defend class warfare by attacking business. Profit. Free market.

It just doesn't work. At least it doesn't for people who don't think like sheep.

I do not defend class warfare, I defend sanity... You defend naked greed and the destruction
of your country by multi national groups who cry free market while they secure government
contracts. They engage in economic war on this country by developing a system that is
self servicing.

Thing is Beezzer, you are and you friends are brainwashed by slogans and free, good tag lines,
but you have no ability to think independently. You repeat lines and explanations that politicians
and lobbyists have formulated and ignore what is happening around you.

I ask myself: "self??? is Beezzer too stupid to realize that some business practices can have a
very negative impact on the American economy?" Your thought process seems to be about as
deep as a salad bowl. So when multi nationals has demonetized this nation, sent all the jobs to
China, your intelligent ass can repeat your three words while you are rocking yourself to death

Profit. Free market.

This thread is superfluous, its merely setting us against each other....
Perhaps thats its purpose, but the whole thing is moot, and ill tell you why.................
The laws the tax regs etc are mostly all made by rich people.
Thats a fact!
So do you think rich guys are gonna get together and fix things for everyone?
I sincerely doubt this.
Point to be made here, it is all divide and conquer.
The rich have got to get eliminated from the scene.
I say eliminate personal wealth to a certain degree.....
The idea that one person can control so much wealth as to influence the goverments of countries is one thats got to go.
NOBODY needs this kind of wealth.
Those who make it are all , to a man, Insane.
Yes, insane, it is a mental deficiency which makes them go psychopathic for power and money.
The world is run by mostly psychopathic personalities.
Thjey have no emotions per se.
They have no conscience either.
They must be stopped and eliminated.
If you dont understand this it is because of their conditioning.

This is kinda like how were are double taxed on gasoline. Federal and state..

reply to post by seabag


Actually, the people who are being "played" are the people like you that support wealthy people not paying their fair share. They are laughing their asses off at you for supporting them while they rob you blind. Obama and Soros are not trying to start class warfare, they are pointing out that wealthy people started the class warfare a long time ago and they are winning.

Class warfare, in my opinion, is not poor people pointing out that rich people have rigged the game. Class warfare is rich people rigging the game in their favor. Who is the person waging war? The person who points it out, or the person who started the war?

And do not even try to talk to me about "job creators". There is no such thing. These people are job destroyers, they only employ enough people to make them a profit, they will get rid of a 20 year employee in a heartbeat if they think it will make them even one more dollar.

I am just going to right out call bull$hit on all of the "Class Warfare" charges altogether. It's only called Class Warfare when the commoners...the peeons.. rightfully point out that the system is grossly rigged in favor of gazillionaires. F- You if you think I am going to feel any sympathy for someone making over $40 a MINUTE without breaking a sweat. I don't care what they did in the past to earn their gazillion dollars, nor do I dislike anyone for the mere fact that they are wealthy. BUT you're not going to piss on my leg and tell me it's raining. The wealthy initiated Class Warfare as they, over time, designed this rigged system. Period. And now they're scared $hitless that we commoners will eventually say enough is f-ing enough and return fire against them. But we don't have the means to do so against them financially....we're just trying to feed our families, for crying out loud. We'll eventually have to use our fists, our guns, pitchforks or whatever against their frail pasty white asses.

Originally posted by mastahunta

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
reply to post by mastahunta

 

It's obvious, he is getting votes from the youth and trying to appeal to them.

Those of us who received an education and know history. Not the history taught post 9/11 know better.

Yes, because we are going to have to pay for these tax cuts and these corporatist policies that
have been in place since 1980.

If you know history, you would know that this country did much better in the 50's and 60's
when the rich were taxed appropriately.

I hope your counted obamas payroll tax cut too. Who are you going to blame when Social Security runs out? You do know that the money from obamas so generous payroll tax cut is coming from money that goes into Social Security, right? How's obama plan on paying all that money back?

reply to post by 247southland


You do realize that if people are over taxed on money they invest it will discourage them from investing then costs of products and services that you use everyday will go through the roof.

You think it's hard to put food on the table now? Just wait.

Dear seabag,

It's always a great pleasure to run across one of your threads. You manage to find important topics and encourage, well, let's say the word is "discussion." This one has become pretty broad and tough to deal without looking at a lot of threads.

Start with what? The capital gains tax? We have to remember that any tax discourages what's being taxed. Gasoline and cigarette taxes discourage the use of gasoline and cigarettes. The key is to not discourage too seriously anything you really need. A lot of people feel that's the problem with a capital gains tax.

A capital gains tax discourages succesful investment. The government doesn't send you a check if you lose money in the market, but it wants one from you if you make money. Do we really want to discourage succesful investment? I thought that's what the President has been calling for, investment.

As an extreme case, make the capital gains tax 100%. No one will invest in things which grow in value, there would be no incentive for it, and besides, you'd have to fiill out the tax forms. (Except for the government, which will probably invest in Solyndra again.) Say you buy a house for $200,000. When you decide to move out twenty years later, the house has been unchanged but inflation has sent the price to $300,000. How does paying taxes on $100,000 strike anyone as fair or encourage home ownership?

People with money send it to the place where it will bring the most benefit. I happen to put my money into groceries because that benefits me more than anything else I can think of. Raising the tax on investments will send money somewhere else. Maybe loans with high interest rates, maybe investments in countries the US can't touch.

It's not hard to follow. Raising the capital gains tax, lowers the amount of investments subject to that tax (for example, American business). American business needs to borrow more, because there is less investment capital. Increased demand for loans (and notice the government is borrowing more, also) sends interest rates up.
Higher interest rates raise the cost of doing business, driving prices up (among other bad solutions).

Anyway, you can think this through for yourself. Raising the capital gains tax rate is a risky move and should be considered only after much thought. Doing it from a knee-jerk reaction to "eat the rich," is foolish and immature.

With respect,
Charles1952

Originally posted by mastahunta

Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by mastahunta

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by seabag

 

Speaking of entitlements, have you noticed how it is the government that feels entitled to our money?

They (and detractors here) are shocked when people want to keep their own money. They play games with figures, talk about "fair share" obfuscate meanings, but what it comes down to is this;
They feel that they are entitled to our money. When we want to keep it, the meme has become greed, selfish, and emerges with class warfare.

It has little to do with you Beezzer, it has to do with the greed that has been
used to fleece this nation of wealth and jobs.

You are right, the corporations and elite businessmen feel entitled to our money,
they should pay their way, not just extract all the wealth from the US to invest
it in China, wake up...

You pay for their tax reductions, in leu of them paying, you pay, not too smart.

edit on 26-1-2012 by mastahunta because: (no reason given)

Government spends money that is not theirs.
When they are done, they demand more.

They provide minimum service at maximum cost. Government is inefficient, wasteful and greedy.
Paint roses on a dog turd all you want.

You'll still end up smells like. . . . . .

All that aside,

the elite business men of the world will use you and your ideas to extract all the money from this
nation, people like you and me and then invest those gains in a cheaper, flowering market
which will work tirelessly to conquer this country. This is a newer practice and it will eliminate
the lifestyle we cultivate unless we are recognize that the best business model available is
horrible for Americans and America

edit on 26-1-2012 by mastahunta because: (no reason given)

This is good description of the last 20 years and also a prediction of the future. :up

The inevitable outcome is no middle class. A super elite and a serf class with a similar standard of living to those in the developing world.

Only government expenditure, on credit, has masked this uncomfortable truth to this point. Can the nation stand it when the mask comes off?

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
reply to post by 247southland

 

You do realize that if people are over taxed on money they invest it will discourage them from investing then costs of products and services that you use everyday will go through the roof.

You think it's hard to put food on the table now? Just wait.

edit on 26-1-2012 by thehoneycomb because: (no reason given)

I'm sorry, but that argument is old and lame. It's the same "trickle-down" crap that we have been fed since Reagan; there is no such thing. Here's a promise- if you make the tax rate 50%, people will invest more becasue they are getting a smaller part of the pie, so they make the pie bigger. That's the way it works.

Here's another reality for you. When the tax rate was 80-90% we had the biggest boom time ever. Why? Because all men are NOT created equal. Some people are good at gardening and some people are good at building houses and some people are good at making money. When you take a large chunk of that person's money, he needs to make more to fulfill that desire for wealth, so he will borrow money and expand his business in order to make the pie bigger. It's simple math and it works.

Conversely, when you give a person with great wealth more great wealth, they simply put the money away...and pay 14% on the huge money it earns for them while it doies absolutely nothing for the economy in general.

reply to post by seabag


If that were the case than wouldn't Romney pay 0 taxes since all of his income is based off of investment returns? He makes like $40ish million a year, $50,000ish a day. Yeah, no, you have to pay.

I don't understand this class warfare business, but as I say, I'm easily confused.

It appears that the idea is for the poor 3/4 to take money from the rich 1/4. It further seems that our President is solidly behind the idea. It is an idea that has been around for decades. There appears to be no particular support for the idea that the money is to be earned instead of taken.

How is the money to be taken? I've seen two ideas in this thread, have a mob rise up and take it with fists and pitchforks, or have the government take it with their fists and pitchforks (taxes and the IRS).

Why take the money? Well, of course, you take it from the rich since they're the ones that have most of it. The theft is justified by saying either that the rich have laws in place that make it easier for them to keep their money and make more, or that they are breaking laws to get their money. If they're breaking laws, prosecute them. Contrary to public belief, they don't have every attoney general and federal attorney in their pocket. They are sued succesfully too often for that to be true. As far as biased laws, change them. if you think you can change tax laws, you can change other laws as well.

Further, no one supporting class warfare seems to consider the results of their actions (or they don't care, see politicians). Make a law taxing American millionaires heavily, and American millionaires will move. Businesses are leaving Detroit, Chicago, and California. Millionaires have left New York City. Money won't stay here if the government gets set to take it all.

Class warfare is popular among politicians because it stirs up poor voters. It's not good policy.

With respect,
charles1952

reply to post by Swills

If that were the case than wouldn't Romney pay 0 taxes since all of his income is based off of investment returns? He makes like $40ish million a year, $50,000ish a day. Yeah, no, you have to pay

Not true…Anyone whose income is LESS than $59,400 TOTAL (income and cap gains combined) will pay 0% cap gains. If he makes $50,000 per day in cap gains, in just 2 days he will have surpassed that mark and therefore be subject to cap gains taxes on all cap gains over $59,400.

The 5% and 0% long-term capital gains rates will only apply when the total taxable income of the taxpayer(s), INCLUDING the capital gain income, does not exceed the maximum income to qualify for the 15% income tax bracket, with any gain exceeding that threshold taxed at 15%.

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
reply to post by mastahunta

 

It is ALMOST laughable...

This country was robbed blind by the banks

The citizens who join the Occupy movement are angry about that

and you make it seem as if they are unaware of who robbed this country.


The screwing already happened, man, where have you been???

The Unions took the money and blew it Again.
AND THEY are out there organizing protests for OWS and you are standing side by side with them.

And thats why WE ARE ANGRY.

How dare the people protest the conditions in this country. And the Unions now aren't the servants of the upper class like they used to be. Remember back in the late 60's and early seventies when they used the union's to fight against those dirty hippies. Now they are out of work too and if it wasn't for strong unions there never would have been a middle-class. There's a little thing called an American right to be at those protests. Unless you support that right being taken away also. Hell might as well they done took everything else.

reply to post by buster2010


Calm down there snicker doodles. I never said that no one has a right to protest. Problem is that OWS is playing into the hands of the elite and time and time again they have failed to take a step back and think.