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SOPA Now Dead Hail The Rise Of HR 1981

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posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 08:12 PM

SOPA Now Dead Hail The Rise Of HR 1981

We take a look at why HR 1981 could be more of a privacy concern to US internet users that SOAP and put huge pressure on ISP’s to act as snoops on every internet user in the US, for the “protection of the children”. Is this really necessary or is this another Draconian Senator Lamar Smith bill he wants to pass to snoop more and more on US citizens?
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posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 08:12 PM
Rumor has it that the SOPA/PIPA bill that's stalled will be attached to this one, which has been kicking around in committee for a while now and may be a whole lot worse. This one has a lot more to do with ISP snooping and such. Don't really know very much about it...yet...but thought it was of note to post here.

Just something to keep an eye on because if they did try this end run, it wouldn'r surprise me in the slightest. They will try and try again. And it is after all their way to attach turds to diamonds to get what they want, in the hopes that no one is watching too closely.

From second additional newslink....

Many people came together to protest SOPA and PIPA last week, in fact, it was the largest online protest in history and helped lead to SOPA and PIPA being tabled (for the time being). Of course, with these bills being tabled should not come peace. The most obvious course is for legislators to add the most offensive parts of SOPA and PIPA to another bill and quickly pass it.

Meet HR 1981 - "Protecting Children From Internet Pornographers Act of 2011"

We all want to protect children from internet pronographers, right? Despite the underlying argument of the age of consent, we can all agree that there is an age in which children cannot legally comprehend enough to agree to sexual acts. So wouldn't we all want to protect these children from internet pornographers?

Of course!

No one wants to be that guy, you know, the one who votes against the children. So what's hidden in the "Protecting Children From Internet Pornographers Act of 2011"?

No one wants to be that guy, you know, the one who votes against the children.


Same sponsor as SOPA apparently. Link Records you 24/7?

And apparently known as ACTA...

Stop ACTA: why the global big brother of internet censorship must be crushed

ACTA has same dangers as PIPA and SOPA


As we noted in our post about people just discovering ACTA this week, some had put together an odd White House petition, asking the White House to "end ACTA." The oddity was over the fact that the President just signed ACTA a few months ago. What struck us as a more interesting question was the serious constitutional questions of whether or not Obama is even allowed to sign ACTA.

In case you haven't been following this or don't spend your life dealing in Constitutional minutiae, the debate is over the nature of the agreement. A treaty between the US and other nations requires Senate approval. However, there's a "simpler" form of an international agreement, known as an "executive agreement," which allows the President to sign the agreement without getting approval. In theory, this also limits the ability of the agreement to bind Congress. In practice... however, international agreements are international agreements. Some legal scholars have suggested that the only real difference between a treaty and an executive agreement is the fact that... the president calls any treaty an "executive agreement" if he's unsure if the Senate would approve it. Another words, the difference is basically in how the President presents it.
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edit on Wed Jan 25 2012 by DontTreadOnMe because: ex tags

posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 08:23 PM
reply to post by ~Lucidity
I posted this link in another thread but note its using the same reason.

The document relates to copyright infringement, but has also been linked to online child safety and there are fears that it could become a one-stop-censorship-shop for anything this "expert body" deems inappropriate.

UK web censorship

Ireland to Pass SOPA

Here the link to ireland SOPA problem.

edit on 25/1/2012 by skuly because: linking stuff

edit on 25/1/2012 by skuly because: fixing link

posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 08:25 PM
sopa and this new bill, are essentially hitler manifested into paper work, and the internet, i mean hitler tryed to conquer the real free world gets beat, years later hes re incarnated as a threat to the free world of the internet, im callin shenanigans on that

posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 08:26 PM
reply to post by skuly

Interesting...thanks for the additional links. I didn't see your link but heard some friends talking about this at the bar tonight and came home and did some quick reading about it. It seems this one might be even worse.

posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 08:50 PM
As it was stated earlier, they aren't going to stop trying to shove these horrible bills through. These bills only benefit a small number of people. The people sitting at the top of the entertainment industry. The issue is that these people aren't interested in stopping piracy, they are interested in fattening their pockets.

They feel they are entitled to sell millions of copies of albums and movies. The proof is the fact that they have a bill that was introduced called the OPEN act. The issue is that the OPEN act allows the independents to thrive because it leaves the distribution network known as the internet wide open. These ACTA/SOPA/PIPA bills gives the monopoly of distribution back to the major players.

It does this because these laws give the power to these entities to shut down entire websites, whereas the OPEN act starves the piracy sites by cutting off their funding. OPEN is proven as it is essentially what is used to police bootleg merchandise. While it doesn't stop all of it, it stops enough of it to allow high end merchandise to still be a profitable business.

There needs to be a combination of policing efforts. The owners of websites should hold a responsibility of what is posted on their websites, but there also needs to be something where if material slips through, which is bound to happen with huge sites, that the website isn't held responsible unless they ignore repeated requests by the copyright owner to take the infringing material down.

When it comes to international issues, it should be up to them to pay for the legal fees to protect their copyrights in foreign countries, just like they pay the fees to copyright their material in foreign countries. We should not be limited in our use of the internet because they want to lessen the cost of doing business on their end.
edit on 25-1-2012 by Timing because: I admit my spelling and grammar is horrible, edited for those reasons.

posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 09:54 PM
Of course it's from the same bought-and-paid for GOP a**hat that gave us SOPA, Lamar Smith.

Sponsor: Rep. Lamar Smith [R-TX21]

Status: This bill was considered in committee which has recommended it be considered by the House as a whole. Explanation: Although it has been placed on a calendar of business, the order in which legislation is considered and voted on is determined by the majority party leadership. Keep in mind that sometimes the text of one bill is incorporated into another bill, and in those cases the original bill, as it would appear here, would seem to be abandoned. [Last Updated: Dec 17, 2011 6:15AM]

This goes way beyond anti-counterfeiting or child-porn protection, it opens the door for the government and ISPs to snoop at will.

posted on Jan, 26 2012 @ 08:37 AM
reply to post by ~Lucidity

Absolutely sickening, isn't it? Now, In addition to SOPA, PIPA, ACTA and the Protecting the Children from Internet Pornographers Act comes a new one down the pike that I've not seen too much action on ATS about... its called "OPEN" or "Online Protection and Enforcement of Digital Trade Act" and was introduced on January 18, 2012 by Rep. Issa along with 25 co-sponsors. Information on the new OPEN Act

Now with a cursory glance at this new OPEN bill it seems far less nefarious as it's predecessors but with anything in this world these days, wording is everything. If you visit the link above, click on the "Titles" button and you will find this bit of information:

To amend the Tariff Act of 1930 to address unfair trade practices relating to infringement of copyrights and trademarks by certain Internet sites, and for other purposes.

Doesn't sound too bad right? Well, that is except for the last 4 words in that sentence "and for other purposes". Is it any wonder why "other purposes" is not defined? No, it isn't, well at least for me it is no surprise. I do not put anything passed these dinks we have currently "representing" us in Washington these days. Here is a good article from PC World on the new OPEN act. I find this statement particularly telling:

OPEN has received support from technology giants such as Google, Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter, and others, but the Motion Picture Association of America complains in a statement (PDF) that the bill goes easy on Internet piracy.

The PDF referred to in the above quote is available for reading via a link in the article. Perhaps Google, Facebook et al missed the four words "and for other purposes" and the MPAA well... just does not like anything it appears except for SOPA.

One way or another they are going to get this to pass into "law" either by shaming other lawmakers and the public into supporting it by rolling into a bill that would protect children from inernet scum bags (because like you said who wants to look like the dope who voted against protecting the kids) or just by wearing us down by throwing several versions of the same thing (i.e. SOPA, PIPA, ACTA and now OPEN) at us to the point where we as a collective throw our hands up and say "uncle".
edit on 26-1-2012 by MyMindIsMyOwn because: Date correction. Was not 2011, it was introduced in 2012

posted on Jan, 26 2012 @ 09:35 AM
What a joke , Rep. Lamar Smith is playing with 300 milions Americans ..he is probably enjoying his power trip now

posted on Mar, 10 2012 @ 10:18 PM
Oh wow, I missed this first time around. They have taken a cue from Canada's conservatives and re-labeled it to something no one will publicly condemn,

unless of course they know why it was named that.

It didn't fly in Canada.

Vic Toews ended up eating his words, literally.

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