What the NDE says about Homosexuality, page 1
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Topic started on 25-1-2012 @ 02:58 PM by angellicview
I sometimes get irritated whenever I see that someone has posted a comment about God "hating" homosexual people. I am not one, but I feel that it's important for everyone to understand that they are all loved equally. I would like to take this opportunity to discuss what the Near Death Experiencers have discovered about it.



The Bible and Homosexuality
The Bible was written during a time when society considered all sinners, homosexuals, adulterers, and prostitutes as outcasts and worthy of death. Women had the same status as cattle, slavery was sanctioned, and so-called sexually immoral people were stoned to death. But Jesus didn't follow the social norms of those days. He hung out with sinners, prostitutes, tax collectors and even made some of them apostles.


NDE Analysis of Homosexuality
Countless near-death experiences describe the unconditional love that God has for everyone. This, of course, includes gays and lesbians. Just the fact that God created so many homosexuals (approximately 10% of the population) should be enough proof for any reasonable person. Unfortunately, there are people out there who, out of ignorance, fear, and bigotry, persecute them by treating them as second class citizens. The following insights comes from near-death testimonies concerning bigotry. These insights show how homosexuality is just as natural as heterosexuality and is certainly not offensive to God as some religious texts claim.

*Creed, race, gender, and sexual preference have no real meaning to God. No matter who we are, we were all children joined under one God. The only rule is God's true law "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." (P.M.H. Atwater)

*Those religions which claim superiority over others, or exclude people for various reasons, go against God's law that we love one another as we love ourselves. (Sandra Rogers)

*God is really only concerned about what is within us, our heart and spirituality, not our sexual preference. The way to heaven is through love for everyone unconditionally. We do not go to heaven by worshipping Jesus, or by believing in his name, or by believing in the cross, or by accepting him as our Savior. We grow to heaven by creating heaven within us by practicing the unconditional love of Jesus for everyone no matter who they are. (Kevin Williams' research)

*There is no one religion just as there is no "chosen" people or person. We are all children of God in the sense that we are all souls of God's creation. What counts is what comes from the heart, not what one professes to believe. The most difficult thing for a person who has been deeply steeped in a particular religious tradition is to realize that the form alone is not what elevates a person; it is the heart. (PMH Atwater)

*It also needs to be recognized that not all teachings described as religious are beneficial. Religion which is judgmental, prejudicial, critical, and narrow may impede the spirit's natural growth. It is love, not religion, which creates spiritual growth. Where religion teaches love, there is growth. Where religion impedes love, there is stagnation. (Nora Spurgin)


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reply posted on 25-1-2012 @ 03:22 PM by SaturnFX
I am gonna call a bit of BS on one part of this
The Bible was written during a time when society considered all sinners, homosexuals, adulterers, and prostitutes as outcasts and worthy of death. Women had the same status as cattle, slavery was sanctioned, and so-called sexually immoral people were stoned to death. But Jesus didn't follow the social norms of those days. He hung out with sinners, prostitutes, tax collectors and even made some of them apostles.

First off, the writing of "the bible" spans many many generations, not just a specific timeframe...we are talking about the ancient torah, down to the relatively modern new testiment.

but the supposed time of christ (1ad), was the time of the great roman empire. The romans, taking a page right from the greeks, seen homosexuality as the total norm.
The only exception to this was two grown men of equal stature. In such a relationship, one of the men had to be..well, the woman of the relationship..otherwise it would be highly controversial..
But otherwise, man on boy or man on fem man was very normal and totally uncared for.

As far as lesbianism, at the time, they didn't give a care at all about what women did with themselves..they only had to hold a baby when it was time, otherwise, they could spend most of their life in the company of other women..in a way, women were far more free to choose their lifestyle than men in regards to sexual desires..but were required to have babies also when married...but no social stigma came at them no matter what they did in regards to preference.

It is only the hebrew religon(s) that have major issues with homosexuality, and they really didn't take off until about 400ad (give or take).

Why did the hebrew religions have such issue with it? meh..who knows. my guess, they required vast amounts of soldiers for their armies, and the importance was on bloodline purity moreso than house status.

Otherwise...sure, any deity that is a gay hater is no deity I would see rule over me. I am not gay, but I don't care about others choices...but a deity that has issue with it is not as wise as myself, and I can't accept being lead by a lesser being.


reply posted on 25-1-2012 @ 04:14 PM by Buddha1098
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I agree with everything you are saying.. Fundamentalists won't and can't because you are presenting a "new" gospel to them so of course that is from Satan.

God Loves homosexuals, hates the sin. That's another common response. You can only open the minds of people who think for themselves.

Good on you for trying though!
Namaste


reply posted on 25-1-2012 @ 09:01 PM by AQuestion
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Dear angellicview,

While I do not ever intend to give specifics on the internet about my NDE, I will say that hate was in no way involved and love, acceptance and affection were. I am a straight Christian and believe God loves all of us sinners. I also know that there are many homosexuals that also love God back. Peace.
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