Is Ron Paul really the last chance? Is there a positive outcome post 2012 for America?

Maybe this is the year in American history where a Third party finally wins because people finally break free from the 2 party paradigm?

Maybe not. Its either Ron Paul doesn't win......we go to War with Iran.

OR Ron Paul wins and we don't go to War with Iran.

OR we get involved in Iran and then Rand Paul saves the day in 2016? If the world can make it to 2016.

I have a terrible uneasiness that The United States won't make it that far if we don't get our **** together with the Economy. Do you believe right now we have good people, like Ron Paul, working against TPTB within our government or do you really believe 80% of them are corrupt?

Everything since September 11th, 2001(whether you believe it was an inside job or not) has perpetuated our current events. We live in a Post 9/11 world. 9/11 changed the global political language. Everything revolves around Terrorism and Oil.

Technically, if this country was actually faced with a "behind the scenes" tyranny our military is suppose to "take back over" and restore the Constitution. Maybe, the people in power do this natural. That power struggles always peak with a dictator that is eventually cast away.

I'm 23 years old and as I've been growing up I've always had this "6th sense" that I am living in an extremely important time in human history. I often ponder how a 11th grade Social Studies text book will be written in 30 years. Looking back on history gives us blueprints to avoid the faults of "past societies".

Will we make the same mistakes again? Is history doomed to repeat itself? OR is the birth of the Internet the monkey wrench that changes the End Game. Is the Power of the Internet the "anti-propaganda"? Is the Internet a natural occurrence towards true Global Cooperation? The Internet is special because 20 years ago you wouldn't have "read" about "my" opinion. But you read it now....and I'm just an average Joe posting on an open forum. 20 years ago my opinions would have been limited to people that I directly communicate with. I'm from NY but right now a Bob in CA can be reading this. I'm a nobody yet you consider my opinion. Is the Internet so open in terms of information and communication that the truth is sitting right in front of you?

The Internet is roughly only 15 years old. Its still a fairly new concept. History is define by Decades. Images pop into your head as you list them off. 20's, 30s, 40's, 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's, and now.....the 00's. What will the 2010-2020 decade look like? How do you think history will play out from here on?

Our politicians are playing 20th Century politics in the 21st Century and they seem to be losing their grip on the public. Do we really need a Government with representatives that vote for us. Couldn't an Online poll do the job? Our whole decision making process could be dealt with with Internet. Direct Democracy.

We are on the cusp of something great. Is World War 2 really the last GLOBAL War to end all Global Wars? War will always be around but World War is unique. I believe that eventually humans will figure out how to obtain Global Peace. I believe Global Peace is the only way to obtain a Type 1 civilization. We can only advance with cooperation. Competition between countries leads to War.

We talk about a NWO and TPTB. I don't believe in their course of action for a World Government but a World Government is inevitable. Do we really need to meet aliens to realize we are all humans? We are all from the same planet so why is it that we kill each other.

I believe the only way for our Civilization to advance technologically is by FIRST obtaining a World Peace. Without World Peace we only continue to destroy ourselves. Say aliens ARE real. What would they think of the human race as it currently stands. All they would see is us bombing each other still. Our World is still fighting against itself.

I'm not trying to sound like a Hippie and saying we need World Peace. I just believe Peace is inevitable and a necessary human "(R)evolution". Do you think Aliens would be still blowing themselves up with nuclear bomb on some distant planet?

Are we at the end of the Industrialized Revolution? Oil is the pillar to the Industrialized Revolution. Maybe we are headed for an "Electronic Revolution". Imagine a world that figures out how to run everything with electricity. How far in the "future" are we already?

Ipads look like things out of Star Wars yet Sci Fi movies is how we envision the future. Whats crazy is we already seem to have what the future is suppose to appear like.

Thanks for reading I know my thoughts are kind of everywhere but I'd like to see what you all think.

RP is not gonna win, time to be realistic.

i don't know if ron paul is the last chance but his message is being heard by the young people all around the world. the future will be different. also, ron paul has a son, i'm willing to bet he will one day become the potus...

I believe the one attribute humanity, as a whole, has in common is our fallibility. We have a miraculous way of being able to take most any situation and transform it into something horrible. This fact has been repeated throughout history in many different forms, ranging from science to religion.

The discovery and knowledge of splitting atoms is by far one of the most marvelous breakthroughs of human history. We as a species were finally able to tap into an energy supply that could have changed the face of the world. Instead we utilized that raw energy to scar the world with an atomic weapon that people are still suffering from today.

The concept and ideology of religion, mostly, teaches peace and love. Yet with every good system of belief there comes the wolf in sheep’s clothing, the extremist, the blind follower – thus the crusades, beheadings, stoning, and mass suicides.

Government is no different than any other man made system or discovery – when held in the wrong hands, horrible things will come about.

When the United States of America was in her prime, she was looked at by the world over as a safe haven and a modern Eden. Yet over time the taint of corruption ebbed its way into the hearts of politicians, judicial systems, legal systems, and once good men and women. Like all systems, if they are given enough time they will begin to implode upon their selves.

Ron Paul is a wonderful speaker, and has extremely valid points, yet is a man who is fallible like those who came before him.

Given enough time in a contaminated system, Dr. Paul will either adapt or conform to the corruption – or the corruption will claim him and overshadow the light he is trying to shine forth.

The world today only contains echoes of a once proud people, who have now been beaten down into apathy by a corruption that is clever and deceptive. A corruption that carries you out in the middle of the night, and infects your dreams and waking mind.

I fear the world of good men and women has passed, and the age of self-gratification has arrived.

In history the world or system has had to be cleansed to start anew, else the taint of the old world (however miniscule) will infect the new system quicker than before.

We are now in the front row of a historical era in time, where great tribulations and suffering are surly to arise – but have hope, for as history has shown us: there will always be a better tomorrow.

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wlord, Wow great attitude, are you psychic? /sarcasim

To the op, I really understand how you feel, while the future does look bleek, and it looks as if there is nothing good down the road, you gotta realise that all this crap that is going on, is on purpose, and is planned. I think most people think that the reason everything is screwed up is because inept people running the show, however I think the people who are pulling the strings are very well aware what is going to happen. Our only chance to survive in this great new world is to learn how to be less dependent on others, and be more self-sufficient.

People will laugh at you and call you the crazy guy wearing the tin foil hat, but when the shtf, who are they going to look to? Most likely people like us. I know myself, when it happens, and it will happen fast, that it will be survival, and I will be just fine.

Originally posted by MentorsRiddle

Given enough time in a contaminated system, Dr. Paul will either adapt or conform to the corruption – or the corruption will claim him and overshadow the light he is trying to shine forth.

You know... hes 76, I dont think hes going to become corrupt, and thats what I really dont understand why people dont like him. We know he has the best interests of our country, else he would have retired and moved to florida and gotten out of politics.

Hes not here for the money, the fame, or for his career, I really beleive hes here and does what he does because he wants to make a difference, and he has been around long enough to know how to do it.

I would like add that I support Ron Paul. Thats kind of obvious. I'm just afraid that somehow he would end up like another Obama. Obama truly sold us all out. is he really trying to become a dictator? I don't know if he will really bring out the Change that people want. If Dr. Paul is elected would he still have to fight with the corruption and end up being a nullified President? Is their enough good people left in our 3 branches of government.

Think about we don't know that is talked about behind the scenes. Think about how World Politics is handled behind closed doors. Do we really know what China and the POTUS talks about when we have meetings. What if there is a group of individuals in the CIA, FBI etc that know/sees whats going on? They all took an oath to the Constitution. They grew up in a free society....wouldn't they want the same for their children and grandchildren? Will it be restored Peacefully or Violently? Would and could you believe that their are people in high places that are doing everything they can to avoid a World War 3? That somewhere......"Jack Bauer" is trying his hardest to stop bad things from happening on the inside?

Basically what I'm saying is there are two "powers that be" that manipulate the power structure. One is Good and One is Evil. Doesn't Good always conquer Evil?

How would you envision the actual restoration of the Constitution. The Founding Fathers gave the military the responsibility of upholding the Constitution if its threatened.....by anything. When will action finally be carried out?

Originally posted by sicksonezer0

Originally posted by MentorsRiddle

Given enough time in a contaminated system, Dr. Paul will either adapt or conform to the corruption – or the corruption will claim him and overshadow the light he is trying to shine forth.

You know... hes 76, I dont think hes going to become corrupt, and thats what I really dont understand why people dont like him. We know he has the best interests of our country, else he would have retired and moved to florida and gotten out of politics.

Hes not here for the money, the fame, or for his career, I really beleive hes here and does what he does because he wants to make a difference, and he has been around long enough to know how to do it.

But he has not yet atained the seat of President - and become privy to all of the secret and hidden information that seat comes with.

He has not been made part of the upper echelon of government, who runs the show and coordinates the dance of the nation.

I beleive he is a good man - yet failable like any other man.

I would hope if he were to win the seat of president he would keep to his ways. But as I stated in my above post, he will either conform or be "removed" from power. This has been repeated in history. Abe. Lincoln, JFK, etc. Do you catch my drift?

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OR we get involved in Iran and then Rand Paul saves the day in 2016? If the world can make it to 2016.

Rand Paul is NOT Ron Paul. So, that scenario can go right out the window. I'm not sure I would vote for Rand Paul, he would have to really impress me over the next few years. He can't win on name recognition alone.

Otherwise, I do think this is the last chance for a peaceful resolution to our country's troubles. Ron Paul will at least attempt to do the things that will set us back on the correct foundations the country was built upon. And, even with Ron Paul, it might be too late, or he might not get the support he needs from the Congress.

Without Ron Paul, it won't take long at all for things to totally detiorate. Early 2013 should show a loss of hope, a circling of the wagons, and an "us against them" stance between middle and lower class Americans vs. Elites and Government. I highly expect violence inside the US in 2013, but I'm still hoping to be wrong.

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YES. He is the last chance as far as this race goes. He will lose and no amount of hope can change this.



The facts do not matter and both sides are the same. This country is bought and paid for. They need to suck the wealth and hope out slowly so they can eventually gain total control.



How do they accomplish this? FEAR

Originally posted by MentorsRiddle

Originally posted by sicksonezer0

Originally posted by MentorsRiddle

Given enough time in a contaminated system, Dr. Paul will either adapt or conform to the corruption – or the corruption will claim him and overshadow the light he is trying to shine forth.

You know... hes 76, I dont think hes going to become corrupt, and thats what I really dont understand why people dont like him. We know he has the best interests of our country, else he would have retired and moved to florida and gotten out of politics.

Hes not here for the money, the fame, or for his career, I really beleive hes here and does what he does because he wants to make a difference, and he has been around long enough to know how to do it.

But he has not yet atained the seat of President - and become privy to all of the secret and hidden information that seat comes with.

He has not been made part of the upper echelon of government, who runs the show and coordinates the dance of the nation.

I beleive he is a good man - yet failable like any other man.

I would hope if he were to win the seat of president he would keep to his ways. But as I stated in my above post, he will either conform or be "removed" from power. This has been repeated in history. Abe. Lincoln, JFK, etc. Do you catch my drift?

I would agree with you there, it seems like after they become president, something changes. The CIA probably removes a piece of their brain that is responsible for critical thinking. =P

You mention a one world government as an inevitability. I tend to agree, although there are numerous shapes/forms that could result from such a shift. The most important thing at such a point will be what the the human race focuses it's efforts towards. If humanity focuses it's efforts on, say, producing huge quantities of mindless entertainment, then the future begins to look bleak.

However, if we as a race focus our combined effort towards the exploration and understanding of reality (exploring the universe, learning how everything works, etc.) then the possibilities become endless. In this type of scenario I imagine that we would rapidly begin to see breakthroughs which destroy old paradigms and lift the veil of ignorance from the human race. Perhaps eventually we could create new life forms from the most basic building blocks, or travel to such distant parts of the universe that the distances involved cannot even be fathomed by anyone alive today.

Given the current state of the world such a future is hard to imagine, nevertheless I believe it to be possible (albeit a long ways off). Choices made today by governments are hindering human potential with wars based on greed, desire for power etc. The quicker we move away from this type of thinking and start to think on more universal terms, the quicker we can advance human civilization.

I've said before, I don't think RP went into the race thinking he would win. He knew that the next generation was the last hope for this country. His support of those under 30 is very high compared to the others. I think he is bringing to light that we as a nation lost our way and to wake up as many as possible. I keep getting asked will I support the GOP nom if its not RP. No, I will not fall in line. There still is Gary Johnson and thats where my vote will go.

One side wants to be selfish about human progress. The corrupt elite think less people on earth would help us advance faster. The other side, or what I would call the "good elite", believes we can actually provide for everyone and that the growth of our world population is part of evolution. More people means a potential for more genius.

So really what I see is Socialism vs Communism.

Utopia vs Dystopia.

Communism and Socialism both "try" to be for the good of humanity but they fail due to corruption.

How should a system be tailored to eliminate greed and tyranny? Ours worked for only so long. It needs a new generation face lift. It seems like the Founding Father's had the idea and we still have alot of it. Direct Democracy is obtainable if it was done with the Internet. A few hundred people making decisions for the many but we don't have pen and paper anymore. We can COMMUNICATE instantly now using the Internet.

Online polls are proof that if we wanted a new bill......citizens could go to a website and just vote themselves. Wouldn't that be so cut and dry. You would vote on a law decided by an overall population rather then having some Individual Representative make the decision.

A smaller government is more easily run by the People.

if a repug gets elected war wth iran
if obama is reelected just a covert war with iran.

ron paul was americas last hope in 08 so if he loses we will still survive and the liberty movement will gain even more momentum, as it did after 08 when people realized obama was a shill, a bush third term, and ron pauls popularity gained as a result. i am biased of course because ive considered ron paul my president since 08. Will be supporting him again in spirit for his re election

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No, I will not fall in line. There still is Gary Johnson and thats where my vote will go.

This is the truth that the GOP needs to realize before they end up losing to Obama in November.

I'm 100% with you. I will not be voting for Romney/Santorum, and it is very highly unlikely I will vote for Newt. My vote is most likely Paul, then Johnson, and if they aren't available, then I'll just stay home and keep prepping.

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Its one thing if people look honestly at who they are voting for and choice for themselves. Its another when you think you have enough information to cast a vote based on what you hear in the media or watching 1 or 2 debates like what happened in SC. I don't think people realized how dire the situation is right now. The GOP can't be focused on who can beat Obama because chances are if the GOP are strongly towards one candidate, like with Gingrich right now, then the rest of America isn't going to be as excited about your choice as they are. Smart money is on someone that appeals to all sides of the isle.

reply to post by FreedomXisntXFree

It is very true that the Internet has reduce (eliminated?) the need for representatives. It is no longer difficult for a single individual to make themselves heard, as you mentioned in the first post. However, before such a system were to be implemented I would want to see the influence of the media on the minds of the average person greatly reduced.

If enough people are mislead in a democratic system by individuals who are self serving, the system will not work for the majority. Society would have to become more focused on making themselves informed. A passive regard to politics would be dangerous in a purely democratic system. Every single individual would have to be informed by pure facts to avoid manipulation.

Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by FreedomXisntXFree

 

OR we get involved in Iran and then Rand Paul saves the day in 2016? If the world can make it to 2016.

Rand Paul is NOT Ron Paul. So, that scenario can go right out the window. I'm not sure I would vote for Rand Paul, he would have to really impress me over the next few years. He can't win on name recognition alone.

why would you say this? doesn't rand paul have similar views with ron paul on important issues?

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I don't know, does he?

That is my point. People seem to think Rand Paul is also some kind of savior, but I don't know a thing about Rand Paul. The Tea Party liked him, and that's good, but the Tea Party also liked Palin and Bachmann.

For me, and maybe I'm just over-thinking it, but for me it is very scary that so many people already love Rand Paul, and he hasn't really done anything? I'm pretty sure I remember that he did vote against the Debt Ceiling Raise, and the NDAA, but I'd have to go back and look to be certain. If so, then that is a decent start.