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Hello Mr. president, Abortion Is Murder! Life Begins At Fertilization! That's A Fact [snip]!

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posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 02:21 PM
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How hard is it to use protection then it wont be an issue go right on defending murder.


"From what you have read" eh i sincerely doubt you have read 9000 posts so to sit there and tell me what i think?

Hardly.

Haven't adopted any children but then again haven't killed any either since how many have you adopted ?




posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 02:21 PM
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And having these unwanted children will force the women involved to become instantly responsible. I highly doubt it. It seems to me the majority of these children will end up on government programs you whine so much about.



posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 02:21 PM
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A "life" is something that has been lived... not an unconscious embryo in a sac of jelly. No memories, no emotions, no experience, no perception, no crime.

Its the 21st century, time to get used to it.



posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 02:23 PM
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Originally posted by isyeye

Originally posted by beezzer
Personal responsibility. It boils down to personal responsibility.

Abortion absolves people from responsiblity. It is government sactioned birth control. It means you don't have to take responsibility when you have sex. You don't have to take responibility to have and raise a child. You can just kill him/her.


Does someone getting pregnant from a rape boil down to personal responsibility?...I would think not.

Abortion is a more complicated than just being about personal responsibility.

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Then a woman has that responsibility forced on her. If the child is born, do they share in the guilt or blame because of how they were conceived?



posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 02:24 PM
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Why is it that the very people who preach on ad nauseum about being "pro life" are the same ones who rabidly support the death penalty, and having our military go in and kill innocent people in other countries that are not Christian?


And why is it that someone brings this up as if it was fact.

I am none of the above, how can you generalize like this,

Also There are Christians that are pro choice you know.

Once again,

Which of you could hold an infant that survived an abortion in your arms and kill it?

I'm waiting.

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posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 02:26 PM
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Originally posted by windword

Why should someone HAVE to take responsibility to "have and raise a child" that they don't want?


Biology. Women have the responsibility because they are the only ones that can produce life. Spreading ones legs is not an invouluntary act.
It is deliberate.

As for rape? Like I previously stated, why should the child be punished by death for something that wasn't his/her fault?



posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 02:28 PM
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Originally posted by neo96

"From what you have read" eh i sincerely doubt you have read 9000 posts so to sit there and tell me what i think?

Obama Idiot....Stupid Left.....Worst President.....Entitlements.....Socialism

I just summed up your entire 9000 posts

No, I haven't adopted any children, have 2, then took the "snip"

Why you self righteous think you should dictate OTHER peoples lives boggles me.

You don't want to use an abortion, bully for you, The key word is Choice.



posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 02:29 PM
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So if your wife gets raped one day (let's hope that never happens) you would force her to keep the baby?



posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 02:30 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by isyeye

Originally posted by beezzer
Personal responsibility. It boils down to personal responsibility.

Abortion absolves people from responsiblity. It is government sactioned birth control. It means you don't have to take responsibility when you have sex. You don't have to take responibility to have and raise a child. You can just kill him/her.


Does someone getting pregnant from a rape boil down to personal responsibility?...I would think not.

Abortion is a more complicated than just being about personal responsibility.

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Then a woman has that responsibility forced on her. If the child is born, do they share in the guilt or blame because of how they were conceived?


Do you actually believe that? Someone that was raped, and became pregnant should have the responsibility FORCED on them?....Don't you think that the person being raped and FORCED to do something unwanted was enough?

I simply do not undeerstand this type of logic. Noone should be forced into a responsibility like that.
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posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 02:30 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by isyeye

Originally posted by beezzer
Personal responsibility. It boils down to personal responsibility.

Abortion absolves people from responsiblity. It is government sactioned birth control. It means you don't have to take responsibility when you have sex. You don't have to take responibility to have and raise a child. You can just kill him/her.


Does someone getting pregnant from a rape boil down to personal responsibility?...I would think not.

Abortion is a more complicated than just being about personal responsibility.

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Then a woman has that responsibility forced on her. If the child is born, do they share in the guilt or blame because of how they were conceived?


I dont see how the abortion question can be about responsibility.
It is about what makes people valuable and since when exactly they are valuable.

If embryo is valuable as a person from the conception, then you cannot kill it, no matter the reason (even rape would not be enough, the embryo is the same no matter if it is conceived in rape or not).
If embryo is not a person from the conception, then it is a thing, and the owner can kill it, again no matter the reason.



posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 02:31 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by windword

Why should someone HAVE to take responsibility to "have and raise a child" that they don't want?


Women have the responsibility because they are the only ones that can produce life.


Because women CAN produce life, they should be forced to do so even if they dont want it? Why?

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posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 02:31 PM
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Why you self righteous think you should dictate OTHER peoples lives boggles me.


Really now what do you think you were doing?

Pot calling the kettle and thanks for answering that you haven't read them which means you have no clue what i think.



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posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 02:32 PM
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Then a woman has that responsibility forced on her. If the child is born, do they share in the guilt or blame because of how they were conceived?


Not sure what you're getting at here? Are you insuating that the woman shares an equal guilt to her rapist?

A woman who has been raped and becomes pregnant has not given consent to the violent violation against her body. Natural biology is not a sentence when science has the ability to rectify, in some small way, the trauma. She shares no responsibility of guilt simply because of anatomy.

God gave us brains to overcome harsh weather, famine and disease, why not over procreation?



posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 02:33 PM
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No-one should. But life happens.

What I'm seeing with the pro-death anti-life crowd is an unwillingness to take personal responsibility for ones actions.

They cry, "Choice" like it is some get-out-of-jail free card!

Take rsponsibility for your actions. Or, just let government absolve you of any potential guilt.

Nanny-state with a coat hanger!



posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 02:34 PM
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How hard is it to use protection then it wont be an issue


Both of my children are "birth control babies" and we used protection. So it is not as simple as you make it seem.

Abortion, as most people perceive it to be defined, is not a widespread problem as some would have you believe. Sure some irresponsible people use abortion as a "mistake eraser", but most abortions are due to medical issues with either the baby or the mother.

We have to be careful that we defend the right of women to discuss these issues with their husbands, families and doctors without intervention from political and religious busy-bodies.

Unfortunately, when we take the step to legislate so-called morality into the medical field, we unknowingly step on the rights of everyone and their personal medical privacy....not just abortion.

So while I agree with you for the most part, we cannot let the small exception dictate the whole.



posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 02:37 PM
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I do not care what other people think i personally do not agree with abortion that is my right and if people have a problem with that that is their problem.

A supposed Liberatarian Paul supporter should get that.
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posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 02:37 PM
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What I'm seeing with the pro-death anti-life crowd is an unwillingness to take personal responsibility for ones actions.


How exactly is rape the action of the raped woman?



posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 02:38 PM
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Which of you could hold an infant that survived an abortion in your arms and kill it?

I'm waiting.


I will answer this question, I believe the majority of members on this forum could not do it, on top of that I believe the majority of poster on this forum wouldn't even be able to preform an abortion on a viable fetus.

It is easy to talk about this when you are not directly involved.

I personally will not stand in judgement of women that chose abortion, however what century is this?

There must be a better way.



posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 02:39 PM
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That's fair.

Are you willing to let big government intervene in personal affairs just because you disagree with it? Isn't that actually contradictory to a truly conservative ideology?

If its ok for government to dictate personal affairs with abortion, where do we draw the line....or do we trust government to do the right thing?




A supposed Liberatarian Paul supporter should get that.


I do, that's why I don't think it's anyone business to get involved in another persons medical issues.
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