reply to post by Osiris1953
At the earliest stages what "could" become a baby is nothing more than a cluster of cells. Nothing more, it doesn't feel, eat, sleep, have features,
have organs, feel pain or anything for that matter and if you actually go by the established tenants of what is considered independent "life" it
doesn't fit any of them. That is fact.
Only up to a point.
It does feel eat and sleep. Just at a much different scale. Some cells wait, others eat, others feel what needs to be built next. It's simply not done
with a nervous system. But I don't see why that matters.
With that part of your argument negated... which it is, I can only assume your opinion is based more upon your belief in a soul and that a soul
inhabits the newly formed cluster, making it morally wrong to destroy that "life."
If it were a religious argument yes. But this is a scientific one.
BTW, my wife could give birth to my son any day now. Though he is now a baby, a human, my boy, he was once nothing more than a cluster of cells, that
in all actuality could have turned out to be a blastoderm or some other anomaly. He was not a person. He was not a living being, he was a group of
cells growing in my wife... end of story.
Your son is a parasitic dependent chunk of cells that's just slightly more sophisticated than what it was a few months ago. The only difference is
that some of these cells can now take in inputs. But that doesn't make them in any way a person nor a human being. A comatose patient can take in
inputs. A brain dead person can too, to a much limited degree.
Being human means doing something with those inputs. Adding a certain sublime to them. This ability does not come about until long after your
parasitic decedent comes out of its flesh-cave. Even out of its flesh cave it's still dependent on you. In fact it's more dependent now. It becomes
less than what it was for a few months.
around age 4 your parasite will begin to take care of itself. Will begin to understand complex things. It will become a he...or hell, even a she in
his own mind. It will become itself. However even then it is still a parasite. It's just a little less parasitic.
Around a decade or more from now, your now self aware parasite will begin becoming independent. Doing things without your permission, and making his
or her mark in the world. yes I say her, because he may decide he's not a he. At this point your self aware parasite can finally be called somewhat
human. But even then, he has another decade to go before he can fully supply his own mouth and income. He has another decade before he understands
art, religion, music, lack of these things, or even hatred for them. THEN he becomes a "person".
So excuse me for saying it, but your son, in a few days, will just be a parasite that can giggle, cry, poop, and eat. Rather than pooping and pissing
in the same goo it's been growing in, will merely just be something that now requires you to manually do everything for it. It's just you, as a human
person, whom makes it any thing more than this. The brain of your son is not capable of anything remarkable, other than mimicking what you do. Because
it is still a parasite, clueless of the world.
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