I think it is technically murder. I don't think one can choose if 1 week old in the womb or 1 month old in the womb should be a deciding point. That said, as much as one can get all caught up in the emotional side of this, the fact is pregnancy is common, very common, meaning it happens a lot since sex is a natural inclination. We get knocked up like rabbits, really. You can get all God like about it, but it is science. You can be an athiest and have a whole litter of kids, because it's about sex and sex alone. Sex makes babies. Sex is human nature.

The world is not an infinite place. Man is not at a point that we make perfect decisions. ANd until that time that we do, there is a need for abortion. I'd prefer it not to be the case, but we've got too many people on this earth as it is.

A baby is a gift, and should be, but it is not always a gift to the many women who get knocked up, unintentionally. Every person that is alive was meant to be alive, and every one that is not, was not.

You don't like it, don't let it happen to you. But know that it will not be a perfect world if abortion goes away, that's for sure.

Originally posted by Crakeur
If you want to split hairs, sperm cells are one celled living creatures and, therefore, every time a guy masturbates, he's killing thousands of them.

So, unless the Supreme Court outlaws self love by men, the should stick to governing over those that are breathing air.

I'm glad you said it! I just couldn't bring myself to bring that up....no pun intended!
But...like I said...I'm staying out of this one!

Wait what the hell?

He really did say the child get mistreated so it's ok to kill it.

And itl's a given how many children pro abortion types adopt

NONE they kill them.

Personal responsibility. It boils down to personal responsibility.

Abortion absolves people from responsiblity. It is government sactioned birth control. It means you don't have to take responsibility when you have sex. You don't have to take responibility to have and raise a child. You can just kill him/her.

Why is it that the very people who preach on ad nauseum about being "pro life" are the same ones who rabidly support the death penalty, and having our military go in and kill innocent people in other countries that are not Christian?

The hypocrisy astounds me.

It is SO EASY to get all worked up about the life of a fetus, isn't it? YOU don't have to take care of it, YOU don't have to pay for it or raise it, so it is an easy way to feel superior and closer to the spirit you imagine is God by crying on and on about imaginary fetuses and their feelings.

I personally want to see every person who wants to see abortion illegal spend their time on making the lives of these unwanted children better. You care so much about life in the womb, spew a lot of hot air about the sanctity of life, and then forget about them once they're born. Yeah, you'll show up on a message board and cry over a case like Casey Anthony, or one of the many other mothers who end up killing their unwanted children, but what have you done to make it better for these women economically and emotionally so they don't feel driven to off their offspring?

Long ago I had a temporary job at a mortuary, pulling out old files for mormons to put on microfiche for their genealogy project. This mortuary had been around since the 1890s. I noticed that there were a great deal of young women who died of blood poisoning from botched and self-induced abortions, notably around the time of wars. I guess their boyfriends came home on leave and left a little of themselves behind when they shipped back out.

Roe V. Wade was put into law to stop the back-alley and self-induced abortions that were rampant in American society at that time and were killing record numbers of young women with hideous, painful blood infections. It was done to save lives, believe it or not, because women were going to try and terminate the pregnancy whether it was legal or not.

Even in the ancient days, if women couldn't terminate the pregnancy with herbs and falls on their stomachs, they would birth the child and then toss them in the river.

BOTTOM LINE: If you don't believe in abortion, then don't get one. Whatever somebody does is between themselves and God. YOU are not qualified to be the judge. If you want to put your money where your mouth is, start adopting babies and taking in teen mothers to help them. Otherwise, your words are just so much pious, pompous hot air.

Originally posted by beezzer
Personal responsibility. It boils down to personal responsibility.

Abortion absolves people from responsiblity. It is government sactioned birth control. It means you don't have to take responsibility when you have sex. You don't have to take responibility to have and raise a child. You can just kill him/her.

Which is a problem because...??

Originally posted by neo96


And itl's a given how many children pro abortion types adopt

How many babies have you adopted?
You want to decide whats best for a woman ,inside her womb.
How about when the babies are outside the womb, Wait I've read your posts....." NOT MY PROBLEM,DAM WOMEN AND THEIR ENTITLEMENTS"

Originally posted by beezzer
Personal responsibility. It boils down to personal responsibility.

Abortion absolves people from responsiblity. It is government sactioned birth control. It means you don't have to take responsibility when you have sex. You don't have to take responibility to have and raise a child. You can just kill him/her.

Does someone getting pregnant from a rape boil down to personal responsibility?...I would think not.

Abortion is a more complicated than just being about personal responsibility.

If abortion is murder, then having sex with a condom is anti-life.
You choose your pleasure over the creation of life. Anti-life is pre-murder.

Maybe they should make condoms and the pill illegal, that will really help the economy right?
They should make sure that the act of sex always leads to the creation of life, no matter the consequences.
After the child is born and the parents cant afford to feed him/her, who cares, at least a life was created... to suffer.

There are children suffering all over the world because of anti-abortion but as long as it makes pro-life activists feel important, it doesn't really matter.

How do you feel about growing plants for the sole purpose of destroying them?

Originally posted by beezzer
Personal responsibility. It boils down to personal responsibility.

Abortion absolves people from responsiblity. It is government sactioned birth control. It means you don't have to take responsibility when you have sex. You don't have to take responibility to have and raise a child. You can just kill him/her.

This is a simplified argument that puts all the responsibility on the woman. Contraception also absolves people of responsibility and often causes spontaneous abortion.

Your argument punishes the female and places no responsibility on the male. Not all pregnancies are outcomes of consensual adult sex. And, mistakes happen.

Why should someone HAVE to take responsibility to "have and raise a child" that they don't want?