The Templar Uprising, page 3

privacy

Pages: << 1 2 3 4 5 6 >>
ATS Members have flagged this thread 18 times

reply posted on 25-1-2012 @ 09:07 PM by Eidolon23

Originally posted by Aeons

Is it also interesting that I've been seeing those of Chinese descent Western Culture resonating on the Templar meme?

edit on 2012/1/25 by Aeons because: (no reason given)

Oh, very.

Some have proposed on this thread that this meme is being injected into the Western collective mind to fuel nationalism. I disagree. I am not at all certain it has its source in some kind of psy-op, and would say that if anything the smooth operators are merely riding a Beast they did not create. (per se.)

What I have noticed is a curious absence of nationalism attached to the meme (save in the Northern European sub-group, and even then it takes a back seat to other items on the agenda). Instead, I have noted that it appears to be affecting globally dispersed sub-groups as opposed to any particular country.

That being said, this does appear to have more resonance in some regions in the world than in others. For instance, the American variant has what I would call a Mithraic flavor, whereas the Northern European variant does appear to be Ol' One Eye disguised in a shiny new suit.

I am eager to sample the North American (?) Chinese variant. Thank you.

reply posted on 25-1-2012 @ 09:20 PM by Eidolon23

Originally posted by InfoKartel
reply to post by Eidolon23

I can tell you why...

They are lost ones looking for culture. Why? Because they lack a culture. So they create a culture by grabbing together bits and pieces of here and there, but usually, the appearance of the created culture is along the lines of which ideology they took the most from / which ideology resonates the most with them.

Very strong post. Thank you.

Also, I think you nailed the mot juste: the ones getting Templar fever are in it for the ideology rather than the religion. If Jung is correct and populations who lack a religious framework are highly susceptible to these types of memes, how much more must it compromise the collective immune system to lack a cultural framework?

A Dragon rises to fill the vaccuum.

Why Templar Knights then?

There is a growing number of Western countries in which Muslims and Islam are demonized through the media. Why? Look no further than the owners of the media and their agenda.

Hm. News articles appear to be chasing this trend rather than setting it. But yeah, I'd say Templars vs. Turks redux does answer the "Why Templars?" question.

Sorry, its going to take a lot to convince me that this is a Project. It might be getting weaponized, but I don't think that's where it began.

edit on 25-1-2012 by Eidolon23 because: ideology

reply posted on 25-1-2012 @ 09:24 PM by InfoKartel

reply to post by Aeons

Gosh, all those years of collecting Dark Knight comics and it never occurred to me to think about.

Yeh, Robin doesn't have room for those condoms LOL.

Now I'll *NEVER* be able to not think about it. I owe you one

Welcome :-)

Do you think that people don't have a right to hate something that is absolutely appalling to them?

First off, why? Why is something appalling to them? Therein lies the answer to whether or not their behavior is within the boundaries of the law or not.

X - why do you think that nationalism is bad? Most of the great things done have been done by nationalistic states with open trade and trade related genetic swapping.

Most great things? When? 100 years ago? 1000 years ago? Nationalism is bad because it is outdated, it has been for decades.

There seems to be a misconception on your part and maybe I picked up on a general misconception:

Nationalism is gone. There is no value in it anymore. Go ahead and be a nationalist state. See how many other non-nationalistic states will want to trade with you. Go ahead, be an overly nationalistic state and you will find yourself at war with one of your neighbors shortly.

Do you know why we have nationalism in the first place? Because there isn't a single country on this planet that exists out of a single ethnic population. Nationalism was the ruse to bring all the different people together under one flag, this was done to consolidate and centralize power. To keep people from revolting.

It served its purpose, because now, wherever you are on this planet, nationalism only leads to trouble. Why? Because since the inception of nationalism, a whole lot has changed. Countries like before, do not exist anymore. People have been immigrating and emigrating like mad and this will only increase with technology increasing.

So it is only a natural consequence for nationalism to die out and make way for a new -ism that combines all the people together. For the leaders of countries who are trying to consolidate and centralize power and to keep people from revolting. Globalism - which has pro's and cons, just like nationalism, yet up to date.

Just take a look at North Korea. That's what nationalism in its true form looks like. Tell me that isn't bad. Tell me it's good. You can't.

reply posted on 25-1-2012 @ 09:27 PM by Eidolon23

Originally posted by Aeons
Would you say that you see the same in reverse in the Islamic countries and subsets?

I'm not sure I would even know what to look for. What War God is currently wearing the 12th Imam's robes, for instance? I am not schooled in Islamic doctrine, so if anyone can help a sister out here, that would be swell.

reply posted on 25-1-2012 @ 09:32 PM by Eidolon23

Originally posted by JoshNorton
reply to post by Eidolon23

Just curious, but what's your search method? You mentioned particularly in blogs...

How do, your Imperial Majesty?

Here you go:

www.google.com...

reply posted on 25-1-2012 @ 09:41 PM by InfoKartel

reply to post by Eidolon23

Also, I think you nailed the mot juste: the ones getting Templar fever are in it for the ideology rather than the religion.

Exactly. Ideology.

If Jung is correct and populations who lack a religious framework are highly susceptible to these types of memes, how much more must it compromise the collective immune system to lack a cultural framework?

It's not a lack of religious framework, it's...I'd like to say pure and simple ignorance that's the perpetrator here...but there are so many levels to what you mentioned. One would have to look at individual cases until patterns become observable and repeatable, only then could proper conclusions be drawn.

Hm. News articles appear to be chasing this trend rather than setting it.

I can assure you the media sets the trend, especially over the recent years. Some because of an agenda, others do it to sell, sell, sell! Some media are owned by certain political interests. Others are owned by monetary interests.

Sorry, its going to take a lot to convince me that this is a Project.

If only you could lift the veil and see it all for as it is.

It might be getting weaponized, but I don't think that's where it began.

Hmm, hinting at esoteric roots perhaps? Something that is created in response to fear...usually a weapon I would say.

reply posted on 25-1-2012 @ 09:42 PM by Eidolon23

Originally posted by InfoKartel

Originally posted by Aeons
Would you say that you see the same in reverse in the Islamic countries and subsets?

Does batman carry condoms in his utility belt?

Take a small peek at Iran for example.

They are having a field day with this West vs. Iran ( Christianity vs. Islam ). I saw a video of some Islamonutjobs burning obelisks in Iran a couple moths ago. Why? Because it's illuminati-bla-bla-bla.

And worse yet, the reverse is also happening in the West. Disenchanted youth that have knowledge about and believe to some extent in, freemason/illuminati conspiracies are on the rise in big cities. It's turning into a "street religion". It's trickling down to the young ones (-15) on a big scale through social media. The effects of this I've yet to see on such a big scale, I have a few ideas/conclusions but I'm holding on to those for now. One of these ideas I can share; there are political/religious groups trying to scoop up these disenchanted youth for their own agendas, using religion as a hook.

It gets worse ( yes it does ):

These groups will only grow larger as they fuel each others hatred online.

Badass, man. You nailed it to the wall.

I have been pretty certain for a while that this Illuminati stuff is definitely weaponized, and almost certainly is being injected into the West and elsewhere for precisely the reasons you outline above. And I'm fairly certain it's going down like that because religion simply does not have the same galvanizing effect on the kids. I'll look for figures, but I would lay money on the probability that religious observance is down among the 15-25 yr olds even in Iran.

So they're running a new con. Which is really just the old cons that CT hucksters have been making hay from for decades, just put on steroids and unleashed on the kids.

reply posted on 25-1-2012 @ 09:48 PM by baalbuster

reply to post by Eidolon23

So really this is just the setting of the stage then?

Modern day crusades in the making is what it seems like to me.

reply posted on 25-1-2012 @ 09:52 PM by Aeons

reply to post by Xoanon

White supremisist Odinism has been around for a couple of decades now.

Not all the Norse Pagans are white supremicists, but the male dominant groups do all have a special honour, protection, valour and ritual thing going on.

I suspect that you want to be fairly surgical if you want this, because you if you aren't these are going to redouble not go away.

I suspect that what really needs to happen here is to identify what is the core good things in this, and get them weaned onto a more appropriate thought-form. Or to hack the thought-form itself. Remove the bad code.

reply posted on 25-1-2012 @ 09:55 PM by Eidolon23

Originally posted by Xoanon
I am going to post the whole video that is linked in the OP so as to heighten the 'Templar Porn' effect that I think the OP is getting at. If that is what you are getting at Eidolon23, then I am hip to what you are laying down.

I notice you choose the word "porn", and I find that very interesting. Because I think this meme is mining a very pure vein of eroticism. Chivalry is an expression of the male protective instinct, and it applies to women in a specifically romantic sense.

The inverse of the need to protect and save is the need to subjugate and victimize. This meme does the impossible and combines the two mutually incompatible drives into one roundhouse kick in the junk.

OP, you are on to something huge here. Why are more people not commenting on the context of the OP and why are they trying to crawl up inside your 'metrics'?

X.
edit on 25-1-2012 by Xoanon because: *of course I invite you to ask me who 'they' are.

Why, whoever could you mean by "they"?

reply posted on 25-1-2012 @ 09:55 PM by InfoKartel

reply to post by Eidolon23

I'll look for figures, but I would lay money on the probability that religious observance is down among the 15-25 yr olds even in Iran.

You'll have a hard time finding numbers that correctly reflect the decrease of religious observance in a theocracy, because...it's a theocracy

But, you would probably be making a safe bet. It's kind of in the secularizing process.

So they're running a new con.

I think the inevitable will happen, namely, the forming of one huge world religion. Only makes sense since the two biggest religions pray to the same God. Remember the story of the tower of Babel? Kind of like before they started building the tower. Youth from Islamic and Christian countries connect through the internet and veils put in place by their elders, are lifted.

But whether that will happen this year or in a hundred...God knows. All I know is there are certain road blocks that need to be dealt with first. And people running around pretending to be templar knights or jihad warriros...it's only going to be detrimental to our survival as a species.

reply posted on 25-1-2012 @ 09:58 PM by Xoanon

reply to post by Aeons

I suspect that what really needs to happen here is to identify what is the core good things in this, and get them weaned onto a more appropriate thought-form. Or to hack the thought-form itself. Remove the bad code.

I totally agree with you. I actually can't believe you just casually typed that out.

I am going to see what I can do with the "Templars are devout Christians" bug.

BRB.

X.

reply posted on 25-1-2012 @ 09:58 PM by Eidolon23

Originally posted by baalbuster
reply to post by metalshredmetal

Indeed...as the Buddha said "We are what we think and with our thoughts we create our world"

I think South Park covered this idea best in their Imaginationland episodes, with people like Jesus, Krishna, Wonder Woman, and Santa Claus inhabiting the place.

I think it's just the same Gods swapping costumes. I imagine some of them resent having to wear spandex.

reply posted on 25-1-2012 @ 10:00 PM by Aeons

reply to post by InfoKartel

Why hate something? Because somethings are egregious and wrong, and never wanting them is a perfectly acceptable reaction. How you deal with it on the other hand is a completely different animal.

I think I greatly disagree with you because there are psychological thought forms that are peoples. I see no problem with that. You aren't going to get rid of conflict because you got rid of nations and cultures. You're going to create roaming tribal groups with spread out conflict. These things have form. You aren't getting rid of them because it seems like they are anachronistic. They are inherent in human thought. Telling people that they have no right to define the boundaries of what is acceptable and worthwhile is one of the things that is feeding this stuff.

reply posted on 25-1-2012 @ 10:03 PM by baalbuster

reply to post by Eidolon23

Jesus is Mithras taking on "The Dude" role lmfao

The Dude abides

reply posted on 25-1-2012 @ 10:09 PM by Eidolon23

Originally posted by Xoanon
Yeah, here is some more Templar Porn within the context of the OP,

This one is probably as bad as it gets. I have been stimulated by images such as these since I was a very young man. Of course, I know better than to fall for that now, so it is just a humorous memory. but if I am not careful and stare too long...

A buddy of mine told me a really funny story recently. Well, maybe more ominous than funny, but I sure did laugh.

Her 5 yr. old son picked out a Templar costume for Halloween. Finding this a little unsettling, she tried to nudge him to maybe the Batman, or even just the plain old knight. Nope. He insisted on the Templar. And wore that costume for the next few months.

One day at the grocery store, a man of middle-eastern descent spotted the kid and broke out into laughter. He definitely caught the irony.

So, there may be an especially strong resonance with the young.

What a slick and disgusting segue in to introducing the concept of religious violence and blind nationalism to young men. And old.

If it is being weaponzied, by any subgroup, then yeah. That is a whole cargo container full of terrible news.

reply posted on 25-1-2012 @ 10:18 PM by Eidolon23

Originally posted by baalbuster

Maybe the recent influx is due to them trying to get that idea of "righteous violence" back into our subconscious...after dealing with war for nearly 10 years many people are sick of even the idea of another conflict, but as we all know conflict is a booming business so they gotta get those emotions of zealotry revamped somehow.

Or zealotry is a consequence of internally inconsistent belief systems. How much stress does it create in the psyche to simultaneously hold two fundamentally incompatible concepts? For instance: bloodshed in the name of a dude who explicitly stated that we shouldn't be killing other humans period.

Zealotry also manifests in cultures laboring under an internally inconsistent political framework. We're seeing a lot of that hitting the fan lately.

edit on 26-1-2012 by Eidolon23 because: 1 too many instances.

reply posted on 25-1-2012 @ 10:22 PM by Aeons

Originally posted by baalbuster
reply to post by Eidolon23

Jesus is Mithras taking on "The Dude" role lmfao

The Dude abides

I'm not an astrology person, but I do dig storylines. Maybe you'll see the similarity here.

Mithras

upload.wikimedia.org...

Ophiuchus

i.colnect.net...

The Mithras altars are a depiction of a set of constellations as they would have appeared at the time of the Mithras Cult.

Ophiuchus is the new astrological sign. We are not in the Age of Aquarius. We are in the Age of Ophiuchus.

The struggle of a hunter-warrior to conquer something is contained in both. One is a sacrifice. The other is a fight to avoid being poisoned. At the foot of Mithras is the snake. Ophiuchus fights with the snake, and at his foot is the scorpion.

Mithras was a mystery cult who kept themselves hidden.

Ophiuchus is the hidden age itself.

reply posted on 25-1-2012 @ 10:22 PM by Eidolon23

Originally posted by Xoanon
reply to post by baalbuster

Holy F S, OP, did you know that white supremacists seem to have picked up Jung's work on Germany and Wotanism and they are using it for their own devices? Seems like it to me as it makes it hard to find a good place to post from.

Oh boy, I did not know that. Huh. I really am behind on this.

Jung must be rolling in his grave.

reply posted on 25-1-2012 @ 10:25 PM by Xoanon

reply to post by Eidolon23

Her 5 yr. old son picked out a Templar costume for Halloween. Finding this a little unsettling, she tried to nudge him to maybe the Batman, or even just the plain old knight. Nope. He insisted on the Templar. And wore that costume for the next few months.

I was like that when I was little too. I have thought about that a lot and have never really come to any satisfactory conclusions about where I might have gotten that from. I used to save the little girl next door from dragons with my trike as my trusty steed.

Well, I don't know what your buddy might have been referring to as far as the Templars not being devout Christians. Some of the practices that they are claimed to have engaged in, the confessions of which were dragged out of them by torture, might lead some to easily believe they were anything but Christian. But the relationship between the Hashishim (or the Nizari) and the Templars is probably most safely characterized as being one of tolerance and also a shared, graded, military structure uncannily similar to the one the Templars used.

They were out in that desert with those other guys, though for a really long time. I am sure all sorts of arrangements were made to each group's mutual benefit.

Actually trying to track down anything that defines the Templars as non-Christian gets pretty fringey.

I know we like fringe and tentacles but I think it will take us off track.

So I'm back.

X.

Oh boy, I did not know that. Huh. I really am behind on this. Jung must be rolling in his grave.

nah, it's no problem. Just makes it harder to find a good source that does not link to swastikas. I checked out the Jung. I think he was dead on the mark. I can't believe it got published. Publishers, sheesh.